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Originally Posted by ctsmith
I don't suffer childish games.

What does a golfer practice?

What does pitcher practice?

What does biker practice?



What is a “shooter” trying to accomplish by your definition? And what is “practice”?

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Originally Posted by ctsmith
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Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.



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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

All scopes are mechanically flawless when they do nothing but collect dust in the safe.

Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.

The hunter can argue that those limitations do not extend to their use of the scope, which could absolutely be the case.

And thats really what it boils down to. A "one time a year, zero-check & hunt guy", has very different expectations from the guys who shoot year round, a few times per week, and possibly competes in various shooting displines. Different uses, experience levels, and expectations.


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I've seen more well-shot game lost with TSXs than any other premium bullet.

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Originally Posted by Wrongside
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

All scopes are mechanically flawless when they do nothing but collect dust in the safe.

Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.

The hunter can argue that those limitations do not extend to their use of the scope, which could absolutely be the case.

And thats really what it boils down to. A "one time a year, zero-check & hunt guy", has very different expectations from the guys who shoot year round, a few times per week, and possibly competes in various shooting displines. Different uses, experience levels, and expectations.

That about sums it up.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by ctsmith
I don't suffer childish games.

What does a golfer practice?

What does pitcher practice?

What does biker practice?



What is a “shooter” trying to accomplish by your definition? And what is “practice”?


Total BS POSTS



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Originally Posted by Wrongside
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

All scopes are mechanically flawless when they do nothing but collect dust in the safe.

Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.

The hunter can argue that those limitations do not extend to their use of the scope, which could absolutely be the case.

And thats really what it boils down to. A "one time a year, zero-check & hunt guy", has very different expectations from the guys who shoot year round, a few times per week, and possibly competes in various shooting displines. Different uses, experience levels, and expectations.


A person who rides a bicycle 10 miles through a park every weekend can be perfectly well served with a $500, 25 pound bike. Those that train daily and race 75 miles every weekend would not be well served with the same bicycle. Yet on bicycle forums, oddly enough, you don't have a dedicated group of blowhards running down the $500 bike at every opportunity.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Wrongside
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

All scopes are mechanically flawless when they do nothing but collect dust in the safe.

Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.

The hunter can argue that those limitations do not extend to their use of the scope, which could absolutely be the case.

And thats really what it boils down to. A "one time a year, zero-check & hunt guy", has very different expectations from the guys who shoot year round, a few times per week, and possibly competes in various shooting displines. Different uses, experience levels, and expectations.


A person who rides a bicycle 10 miles through a park every weekend can be perfectly well served with a $500, 25 pound bike. Those that train daily and race 75 miles every weekend would not be well served with the same bicycle. Yet on bicycle forums, oddly enough, you don't have a dedicated group of blowhards running down the $500 bike at every opportunity.


Does the $500 bike shift gears correctly and stop when brakes are applied? If not, it’s a POS


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Wrongside
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

All scopes are mechanically flawless when they do nothing but collect dust in the safe.

Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.

The hunter can argue that those limitations do not extend to their use of the scope, which could absolutely be the case.

And thats really what it boils down to. A "one time a year, zero-check & hunt guy", has very different expectations from the guys who shoot year round, a few times per week, and possibly competes in various shooting displines. Different uses, experience levels, and expectations.


A person who rides a bicycle 10 miles through a park every weekend can be perfectly well served with a $500, 25 pound bike. Those that train daily and race 75 miles every weekend would not be well served with the same bicycle. Yet on bicycle forums, oddly enough, you don't have a dedicated group of blowhards running down the $500 bike at every opportunity.


Go to the bicycle site



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Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by ctsmith
I don't suffer childish games.

What does a golfer practice?

What does pitcher practice?

What does biker practice?



What is a “shooter” trying to accomplish by your definition? And what is “practice”?


Total BS POSTS



Yeah, no. No one has still defined what makes a “shooter”.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by ctsmith
I don't suffer childish games.

What does a golfer practice?

What does pitcher practice?

What does biker practice?



What is a “shooter” trying to accomplish by your definition? And what is “practice”?


Total BS POSTS



Yeah, no. No one has still defined what makes a “shooter”.


If you need a definition then you are beyond help



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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Yet on bicycle forums, oddly enough, you don't have a dedicated group of blowhards running down the $500 bike at every opportunity.

I've never been on a bicycle forum, so tell me; If there is not a group of "blowhards" who run down $500.00 bicycles is there also a lack a self-aggrandizing nitwits who swear that a $500.00 bicycle is all anyone needs and anyone spending more is just a fool?

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Wrongside
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

All scopes are mechanically flawless when they do nothing but collect dust in the safe.

Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anyone who has above mediocre range time knows the limitation of Leupold. This is a fact that hunters that don't shoot much can't seem to cope with.

The hunter can argue that those limitations do not extend to their use of the scope, which could absolutely be the case.

And thats really what it boils down to. A "one time a year, zero-check & hunt guy", has very different expectations from the guys who shoot year round, a few times per week, and possibly competes in various shooting displines. Different uses, experience levels, and expectations.


A person who rides a bicycle 10 miles through a park every weekend can be perfectly well served with a $500, 25 pound bike. Those that train daily and race 75 miles every weekend would not be well served with the same bicycle. Yet on bicycle forums, oddly enough, you don't have a dedicated group of blowhards running down the $500 bike at every opportunity.

I'm sure you'd be right in there, playing the obtuse troll defender of the 'good enough/just as good $500 bicycle', if there were.


Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
I've seen more well-shot game lost with TSXs than any other premium bullet.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Yet on bicycle forums, oddly enough, you don't have a dedicated group of blowhards running down the $500 bike at every opportunity.

I've never been on a bicycle forum, so tell me; If there is not a group of "blowhards" who run down $500.00 bicycles is there also a lack a self-aggrandizing nitwits who swear that a $500.00 bicycle is all anyone needs and anyone spending more is just a fool?

LOL. Exactly.


Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
I've seen more well-shot game lost with TSXs than any other premium bullet.

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Originally Posted by jwp475


Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by ctsmith
I don't suffer childish games.

What does a golfer practice?

What does pitcher practice?

What does biker practice?



What is a “shooter” trying to accomplish by your definition? And what is “practice”?


Total BS POSTS



Yeah, no. No one has still defined what makes a “shooter”.


If you need a definition then you are beyond help




Is there a certain number of rounds that qualify one? Is it a certain amount of skill? Is it marked by talent? What is it? You guys are the one who brought it up and claim a distinction between shooters and non-shooters. So define it as precisely as you can. I even provided a couple of examples of people and asked if they were “shooters”. No one has answered that question yet.

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I'm not "you guys"



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Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm not "you guys"


Well, since you felt compelled to insert yourself, answer the questions.

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While competing in 50Bmg matches all over the US for decades, I've seen every brand of rifle scope fail, with the exception of March scopes.
The only scope's I've ever mounted on a 50 that have never failed, are a March and a Mk4 LRT.
The Mk4 has been on seven 50 bmg rifles and currently sits on a Serbu semi.
I've never tested any of the newer Leupold scopes after the MK4, because I've never needed to buy another scope to replace it.
When the scopes would eventually fail and after I got them back from warranty repair, they've worked flawlessly on my puny rifles.
Do all of those brands of scopes that failed suck ? Nope, but according to my testing, the only scope that anyone should buy is a March scope. Hint.................. grin


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Originally Posted by shoots100
While competing in 50Bmg matches all over the US for decades, I've seen every brand of rifle scope fail, with the exception of March scopes.
The only scope's I've ever mounted on a 50 that have never failed, are a March and a Mk4 LRT.
The Mk4 has been on seven 50 bmg rifles and currently sits on a Serbu semi.
I've never tested any of the newer Leupold scopes after the MK4, because I've never needed to buy another scope to replace it.
When the scopes would eventually fail and after I got them back from warranty repair, they've worked flawlessly on my puny rifles.
Do all of those brands of scopes that failed suck ? Nope, but according to my testing, the only scope that anyone should buy is a March scope. Hint.................. grin

No argument from me whatsoever regarding your experience with riflescopes. I am simply curious; which scope brands do you recall that have failed on your 50?

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by jwp475

I'm not "you guys"


Well, since you felt compelled to insert yourself, answer the questions.


It's a dumb question



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