When did it start and why?

Four score and seven years ago. Chinese bots.

Just like any other myth started by fools and followed by idiots ie: Fast twist; 6.5; “optics almost as good as” and many others.

Not sure “hate” is the right word. Disappointment, maybe, mixed with some irritation over how they’ve let other companies overtake them and their steadfast refusal to acknowledge known problems with their products. A great warranty and glitzy advertising is no substitute for reliability. Their scopes have great features and specs, but many serious shooters have abandoned them because they can’t be counted on. Whether that’s because of the design, the materials, or the lack of QC, I can’t say. I can say that I have a $900 VX-5HD that so far is working perfectly, with great glass, good clicks, and fine performance in low light, but the reticle has fuzz all over it that’s distracting and it should never have left the factory like that.

Not going into what they should do, as that’s been done to death. What I’m doing is keeping the ones I have as long as they work, and will dump the ones that crap when they come back from the repair shop. I’m not buying any new ones because I don’t want the hassle.

The live cast with the two clowns was a pretty big nail in the coffin.

$300 SWFA’s that track amazing and have a killer reticle was another.

Sadly,Reupold chose to go out of their way to cut corners and compromise wares,while tugging at heart strings. There was a time,when they were a rather solid option,in comparison to that which was available,but that ship has certainly sailed. They have been totally eclipsed in the things that matter most on a scope,which is rugged internals. Hint.

Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.

I think most and certainly myself included,would LOVE to see Reupold right the ship,but they've focused solely on crashing into icebergs and selling leaking life rafts,of which few launch. Their hearts for whatever reason,are in making Dog Schit wares for CLUELESS Melting Snowflakes and it's actually funnier than fhuqk,due the unbridled grandeur. Hint.

It is rather refreshing to sight in a new rifle with (2) shots,zero turrets and go right to extrapolating DOPE,with POA/POI aligning fhuqking RELIABLY. The Reupold Erector Dance is one that everyone has played and it is funnier than fhuqk,that them who shoot the least,get their Tender Feelers hurt the quickest and keep The Excuse Machine running 24/7. While others are advancing wares in both relative quality and feature sets,Reupold is running backwards as fast as they can. Hint.

LRF's set the bar and held optics accountable. Actually shooting resolves all and the "secrets" are none. Projectile advancements have also done much to sort the ilk. Hint.

Likely a real fhuqking shame. Hint......................

Hey HitnRun..............If you dont mind. I love that quote and am going to start using it.

Ive been using Leupold scopes since about 1970 and they havent failed me yet.............except for one issue. As my eyes got older Ive had a hard time with focus on my leups, I'm at the point where I have to have the eyepiece cranked all the way to the end of the threads to not see a double crosshair. I tried looking though other scopes and found the Swarovski have enough focus adjustment and are clearer that the Leups so I'm changing over most of my rifles.

For clarity,I didn't mean to infer that Reupolds are USELESS,as they do fill a specific niche. Hint.





As an aside,it is always comforting,when a Fhuqking Retard and Stevie Wonder concur on Optics.


Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Those that think leuppies are the cats meow have never used a quality scope.

It seem that Leupold is now making a quality snipers scope. It they would have done so when first approached they would not have been left behind.

TOUGH fhuqking crowd,with all you Reupold Haters! It seems that some folks actually shoot. Hint. LAUGHING!

Reupold MK4 FFP Gen2 Spotters are AMAZINGLY "robust" though. Hint.





Hint.






Fhuqking LAUGHING!.......................

That video was hilarious!

If you turn the pages of history back a bit you will find that when magazines dominated most of the shooting info we absorbed the covers often featured customized Mod. 70's and 98 Mausers and most of the time they had a Leupold scope with the gold ring on top of the rifle. For the most part Leupold has always had glass quality that would meet the needs of about any North American hunter. Combine that with light weight and great eye relief and many gun writers using them American hunters naturally followed suit.

Then the long range shooting crowd and shooting games showed up about the time several movies featuring our military snipers showed up. Suddenly everyone wanted to twist turrets and dial elevation and Leupold scopes did not prove to be very reliable if you wanted to dial with them. I'm and old Alaskan moose and caribou and occasional bear hunter for going on 55 years and have never dialed a scope to make a shot. The guys I know prefer to get close, which is well under 200 yards and moose often closer. Even at 400 yards dialing on a moose is not needed. I did put a SWFA 3-9x42HD on a Tikka Superlite in 6.5 Creed and plan on some day shooting to 1,000 yards at the range.

I have a Leupold on a couple of rifles and they have the Boone & Crockett reticle in them. The little Mod. 94 .356 Win. has a Leupy 1.5-5x20 with a German #4 and the old Mod. 70 Featherweight 30-06 has a Leupy 3.5-10x40 and I keep a Leupy 2.5-8x36 in a set of Talley rings as a back up scope. The only time I touch the turrets on a Leupold is when zeroing the scope, the only time. I have a Nightforce SHV 3-10 and the SWFA 3-9 that I am ok dialing with if needed.

I do admire the guys that are confident in first shot hits at 500 yards and beyond, I'm not that guy and doubt I will ever be that shooter. But, like I said, in 55 years of making gut piles in Alaska I have never had to shoot at those ranges.

In a nut shell, Leupold does not have a reputable dialing reputation, which is a shame because a sighting instrument should have good repeatable adjustments, right?

I think it's more than just dialing. Their simple reliability doesn't have it's former reputation either.

Have you been to the eye doctor? I have the same issue, cataracts are causing this. I have an appointment June 22 to see about correcting this.

If you turn the pages of history back a bit you will find that when magazines dominated most of the shooting info we absorbed the covers often featured customized Mod. 70's and 98 Mausers and most of the time they had a Leupold scope with the gold ring on top of the rifle. For the most part Leupold has always had glass quality that would meet the needs of about any North American hunter. Combine that with light weight and great eye relief and many gun writers using them American hunters naturally followed suit.

Then the long range shooting crowd and shooting games showed up about the time several movies featuring our military snipers showed up. Suddenly everyone wanted to twist turrets and dial elevation and Leupold scopes did not prove to be very reliable if you wanted to dial with them. I'm and old Alaskan moose and caribou and occasional bear hunter for going on 55 years and have never dialed a scope to make a shot. The guys I know prefer to get close, which is well under 200 yards and moose often closer. Even at 400 yards dialing on a moose is not needed. I did put a SWFA 3-9x42HD on a Tikka Superlite in 6.5 Creed and plan on some day shooting to 1,000 yards at the range.

I have a Leupold on a couple of rifles and they have the Boone & Crockett reticle in them. The little Mod. 94 .356 Win. has a Leupy 1.5-5x20 with a German #4 and the old Mod. 70 Featherweight 30-06 has a Leupy 3.5-10x40 and I keep a Leupy 2.5-8x36 in a set of Talley rings as a back up scope. The only time I touch the turrets on a Leupold is when zeroing the scope, the only time. I have a Nightforce SHV 3-10 and the SWFA 3-9 that I am ok dialing with if needed.

I do admire the guys that are confident in first shot hits at 500 yards and beyond, I'm not that guy and doubt I will ever be that shooter. But, like I said, in 55 years of making gut piles in Alaska I have never had to shoot at those ranges.

In a nut shell, Leupold does not have a reputable dialing reputation, which is a shame because a sighting instrument should have good repeatable adjustments, right?

Stick:
I thought you were banned for good. I have not missed any of your posts................

shooter,

It is a fascinating constant,that those who shoot the least,are in the greatest hurry to differentiate and make Excuses for scopes that are mechanically compromised,if only literally by design. Thus the mention of The Age Old Reupold Erector Dance and something that everyone who shoots even a smidge,has done. It is interesting that such mechanical ailments,do not set off Warning Bells,because erectors which won't behave in modest adjustment,certainly will not/cannot hang to a zero,track or repeat. It isn't like there's a "Magic Gear" inside,that after tapping and twirling to TRY to get an adjustment approaching that which is billed,somehow "engages" and then it's "ruggedly reliable". It can't/won't/don't. Hint.

Firstly,most folks don't have the abilities or platforms to denote that obvious,which is of course more than a "touch" telling,none of which is flattering. Secondly,those same folks barely shoot enough to keep cobwebs out of a barrel. All of those things,under the BEST of courteous well wishing,which never bears fruit. They are always happy to use schit wares and The Force,to "arrange" schit bullets to collide with a Critter. 'course,they can't ever do it on fhuqking command,despite being in a KD controlled situation. Hint. LAUGHING!

It is a common theme to make Excuses for Schit Wares,with spent primers remaining THE Supreme Tutorial and contrarion. I've failed,or seen fail,every Reupold you cited and in multiple examples. Why? Simply because I both shoot a "smidge" and pay attention. Hint.

It is plum AMAZING to me,that folks will conjure some "set and forget" "Magical Bullschit" to "explain" schit mechanics. I reckon because folks figure that to be a warm/fuzzy and an "explanation" of multiple decades of simplistic mechanical failure(s). Hint.

FUNNIEST part is,that "glass quality" is THE least meaningful attribute of a device expressly designed to simply steer bullets. Adjusting a repeatable/reliable erector,somehow becomes a "dirty" word and folks concoct bunches of bullschit,to "justify" quantifying same. Objectively,that "stance" is simply funnier than fhuqk and akin to a rifle that goes "BANG!" "most" of the time,being swooned as "Old Reliable". Hint.

Then quantifying all,folks will "justify" how Kentucky Windage "works great"! Simply put,robust/reliable mechanics give ZERO fhuqks about distance and such things become largely moot. Yet that is but a single link in the chain. It is never not funnier than fhuqk to let those who REALLY believe in the "merits" of compromised mechanics,opportunity to display "prowess" with same. To date,I've yet to see it go their way,nor even fhuqking CLOSE. The magnitude of that understatement,will exceed abilities of same to comprehend,until exposed to wares that actually work. The looks on those faces,is fhuqking PRICELESS. Hint.

A Lineal Graduated FFP Milscale Subtension is your friend,"dialing" is hardly a "dirty" word and KNOWING beats the fhuqk out of Guessing. Of (5) Optics you cited,only (1) will grant same. Hint.

Just sayin'..................








Femboy,

Perhaps quantify how Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery,you poor poor(literally) Melting Snowflake. Oooooopsie! Too late! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Big Stick, do us all a favor and do a test on an anvil and see if it will meet your standards. The world is waiting.

I have some, don’t do any dialing, they work fine for me.

Same here. Just a short range hunter here.

Karen(s),

Pardon Facts upsetting you gals,so very reliably. Hint.



It was stated plainly and early in the Thread: ("The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are.") "They" of course being Reupold. Hint.

Not that I don't enjoy the 24/7 Excuse Factory. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Some people have to learn for themselves what’s wrong with a product. I tend to be that way- I want to try things and find out for myself whether or not they suck. Then I finally took some advice and bought a better scope. Just sighting in a scope that actually tracked (vs my old VX-2’s) was an eye opening experience. Moving away from the pretty gold ring scopes helped me become a more confident and better shooter. Just my experience.

Yeah, the Mark 5 seems to be doing well. I've heard nothing but good reports from various sources who are not necessarily fans of the brand. I'd be curious to know if that design came before or after the Leupo defectors left for SIG Optics.

At any rate, I hope Leupo can get things sorted out across the board, but I'm not counting on it. One of their product managers has stated that it's hard to change direction at that company, but at least some are trying.

Exactly. I'm interested in results. Emotion, hate, has nothing to do with it. I used to own nothing but Leupold. Now, I'm down to two, and they don't get used much. I could see the difference in results from the very first reliable scope I bought and used, a LRHS.

Just wondering what all of the guys that no longer have Leupold scopes have went to using for glass ?

I've only had (1) LRHS 4.5-18x and it was a whopping Piece Of Fhuqking Schit. It never tracked,repeated or held zero on my Heavy 6 BR. Hint.











A 10x MQ went aboard and they of course never miss a fhuqking lick. Hint.




Bushie to their credit replaced it(never relating what the issue(s) was/were,but tossed a LRTSi of like magnification,wearing the G3 reticle which I MUCH prefer. It never bobbled,though I was never "nice" to it and I couldn't keep them out of the Mail,though in 3-12x(wayyyyyyyy better). Hint.






I prefer the 3-12x LRTSi to the non-illum LRTS,both in G3. Hint.





Tough to beat Reupold and Hortex. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...................

Really?

People living in poverty don't often see themselves as poor. Leupolds never bothered me till I tried a SWFA. Figured it was just normal to have to check zero after each outing. Come to think of it, that's probably what the annual deer season sight-in is about. Less about bedding, more about scopes. Crappy erectors, non-etched reticles, etc.

Back in the day there were the 3200s, Targetspots, and the B&L FFP and those never seemed to need a "sight-in". But you just had to have internal adjustments. And the golden ring. To look cool. My dash-1 K2.5 has better erectors than my VX3s. Geez, the POI actually goes where I send it. No golden ring tho.

I have a Model 70 257 Roberts that I thought was an inaccurate POS. Couldn't get it sighted in with the Leupold 3x9. Tried a Elite 3200 and problem went away. My limited experience. I do have a 4x12 Leupold on a Sako 30-06 thats never given me any trouble.

Loving the ignore feature! I know Stick said something but I don't have to read it.

I have ~50 bad scopes that are take off scopes, but my good scopes are on my spreadsheet.

My good scopes spreadsheet I have:
50 Leupolds
3 Burris
1 B&L
1 Redfield
6 IOR
3 Sightron
1 Nightforce
1 Kahles
4 Bushnell
1 USO
3 Nikon
7 Weaver
1 ATN
5 SWFA
1 Schmidt Bender
1 Meopta
1 Swarovski
1 Zeiss Conquest
2 Vortex


Every year I try to build (rebarrel & restock) (3) rifles with (3) new scopes in September and shoot (3) deer in October

The only scopes I have that I would buy more of are:
1) Leupold 3-18x44 VX-6HD
2) Vortex Razor HD LHT 3-15x42mm illum HSR
3) Swarovski Optik Z3 3-10 x 42 BRH 
4) SWFA SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight

I wouldn't be opposed to trying an SWFA in a fixed 6x or 2.5-10x32 one of these days.

I wish the eyepiece on the 6 and 10x didnt look so funky.

Don't like Leupold scopes? Don't buy them. Lots of choices out there. Geez.

My dads ancient vx3 3.5-10x AO ( friction adj ) dialed right in last week on his beater .22-250 Ruger #1.

I expectef to tap the turrets or chase zero a bit. Nope.

Had put new rings on the rifle and it was off a fair amount.

Serious question for scope aficionado's, the last few years even on hunting style scopes, it seems that ocular bell assemblies are getting larger, objective bells are certainly larger, main tubes are so short they present mounting problems on long actions, eye reliefs have shrunk dramatically, turrets are taller....so, is this a "style"? Or is it a necessary design change to accommodate the features that most sniper hunters demand? Maybe the laws of physics make it necessary for 4X and 5X power boosts require it?

Yes flintlocke and all of the new scopes also seem to be on a diet of 100 percent pork fat! RJ

I've seen folks fight MANY rifles,chasing their tales,when it was a simplistic mount or optics issue. Pun be intended. For reasons I'll never understand,folks clamor to make Excuses for same and it is funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

In a nutshell,the 6x MQ simply stands alone in mechanical aptitude. It's just a simplistic blend of optical and mechanical dot connections,less being greedy in any direction. The eye-relief is there,the eye box is there,exit pupil is there,the etched reticle is there,the reticle subtends lineal angular graduations that aren't fhuqking proprietary,parallax adjustment latitude is huge,mechanical erector travel is amazing,I LOVE the built in sunshade because I get something called "weather",the adjustments are money and they stubbornly cling to zero. Hint.

Not that I don't enjoy Karens "quantifying" aesthetics or Pretending they don't read my EVERY word,while "unleashing" their VERY Tender Feelers and copious Insecurities. Puddles of tears,are rather fhuqking soothing on the average. Hint. LAUGHING!

The Swiffer 2.5-10x does nothing for me,as it don't bring anything meaningful to the table and is full of things to avoid. Trite eye-relief,SFP and meaningless reticles,if only for starters. Were they to simply go 1" 6x MQ Fixed Fhuqker wearing an etched reticle,the 32mm objective would make nary a fhuqk to me,were eye-relief stretched. I could happily drive capped turrets,to eek that bombproof reticle and it's splendors. Hell...even a 5 Mil MQ and heavy outer stadia ala 1-6x HD(on 6x),would be fine for many things and trump most of what the Market offers. Hint.




Illuminate the bitch same as the 1-6x HD(on 6x) and it'd REALLY be sumptin'. Hint.



As an aside,I rather enjoy how Window Lickers are soooooooo very stumped with a 1913 rail,unlimited ring spacing and the mechanical sanctity of same. Then their Lady Friends fret the "mass",of wares that actually fhuqking WORK. Hint. LAUGHING!

It's never been difficult to savvy,who shoots and who don't. Speaking of which,where did THE Scope "Tester" go,she was on a roll there?!? Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

Where's the hack saw? Where's the gold spray paint...Laffin

This! ^^^^^

Jhizz,

There's ZERO need for you to perpetually reiterate,that I fixate your every thought,as you voraciously devour my EVERY word and Splendid Pixel...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon the Poetic Poignant Profundity of my recountings,fueling your very WELL founded Insecurities in such a way and their factoring your EVERY thought,as you "live" vicariously. Undoubtedly,colors and Hand Tools are etched in your brain,betwixt your crossed-eyes and atop your pencil neck. You're welcome. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless your hear,you Day Dreaming Delusional Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqk.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!....................






HiggyBaby,

The HILARIOUS S&B 6x attempt,cain't even begin to hang with a 6x MQ and that's tough on Karens too.(grin)

Melting Snowflakes are a fhuqking CLUELESS Hoot!.....................

It's not hate to simply prefer chit that works and works better, the same as I don't "hate" your Prius because I bought a Tacoma to pull my boat.

I'm firmly in the 6x Milquad camp.

Karens are quick to attach their Emotions to things and folks who actually shoot,simply weigh mechanics. Them differences are beyond "stark". Hint.(grin)

Mechanically,Reupold has made a long series of rather poor choices,which have compromised their already compromised wares even further. Karens swoon such things and folks who actually shoot,abhor same. The "Made in USA" farce,tugs at Snowflakes' heartstrings and though sad,it is fhuqking FUNNY! Hint.

I'll simply side with reliably rugged wares and leave Emotions for The Woke Snowflakes. Hint.

You boys are gonna talk me into trying one of theme there 6x MQ things!.................(grin)

Well hell Mr Stick, as much as I would like to learn from your experience, I have a lot of trouble translating your monologue sometimes. Maybe after I lick the window, the glass is cloudy and I can't see the same things that you can.
And the other thing, short fat scopes and piccadilly rails go well with your preferred style of tupperware stainless modern rifles. On vintage rifles of blue and walnut, made with old school craftsmanship and pride in workmanship, the current trends of optics and mounts are an abomination and abhorrent to the eye. I lament the lack of a single svelte optic, with a minimum of bells and whistles with modern lens and coatings, that's all I'm sayin'...with not a hint of criticism for your choices.

You boys are gonna talk me into trying one of theme there 6x MQ things!.................(grin)

I hear they’re hard to come by lately.

Maybe you should look under your sofa.....

DUMBlocke,

You be SURE to cite any/all words I've used which are "too big" or "too Technical" for you and I'll happily DUMB things down in your "honor"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I enjoy your Crying Karen Melting Snowflake Emotional Woketitude as you fabricate Excuses to "justify" your fhuqking STUPIDITY. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.

Do NOT "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery and you can nearly punctuate for yourself. Almost. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............




'348,

I'd been arbitrarily sliding barrels underneath one couch,as I enjoyed watching BabyMan dig for 'em and clang & bang with same. He's got enough lead in his ass now,that I'll be buying new TV's and the like,as his swing now is of merit! There was (17) of 'em.(grin)

I heard them 6x MQ's were heavy?!?

Laughing!...............

Well, I tried. The gulf of communication betwixt the generations is just too wide I guess. Too bad, young man, you have a lot of experience and the best of equipment...you could bring a lot to the table to better our sport or avocation, if you weren't so angry.

hey Larry, you never answered me. are you going to get a hug from your son on Fathers day?

DUMBlocke,

You are devoid anything resembling a FIRST Fhuqking Clue and I can't take credit for your Amazing Stupidity,nor can you pawn it off on a "generation",as it's 100% ALL your's...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

If only for clarity through your crossed-eyes,your STUPIDITY has zero negative Emotional connection with me,but it is FUNNIER than fhuqk! In fairness,your STUPIDITY only angers you and that's the "gift" that keeps on giving. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Laughing!

Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Oblivious Humor Points copiously awarded,for you being too fhuqking STUPID to take fhuqking notes and apply same. Again,please cite any/all words I've ever used,that are "too big" or "too Technical" for you to follow and I will DUMB it down just for you. Hint.

Do NOT "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery and you can nearly punctuate for yourself. Almost. Kudos on not being forced to "play" DUMB and "getting" to live it. Hint.

Bless your heart for Crying though.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Stick all horned up today

LMAO

Continuing thread drift...

Stick,
Do you have any experience with these?
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-1-6x24-tactical-30mm-riflescope.html

'arm,

To be candid,I've never even heard of 'em. Hint...................(grin)

Stick doesn’t even have a Yeti Cooler

#brokedigk

Only thing I miss about Leupold is their light weight.

I'd be onboard with that, especially the 5 mil MQ and heavy outer stadia.

When I started to get the hint that Leupold was falling down on the job I started buying other scopes to find an answer to the problems... I found the Bausch & Lomb/Bushnell Elite 4000/4200 were terrific scopes and had great reticle systems for my purposes and bought several of them. Stick finally talked me into the SWFA scopes and I have several now, slowly replacing all my Leupolds one at a time. The biggest problem is they haven't had anything in stock ever since the Corona virus decided to reek havoc on the supply line... Just received an Athlon I'm anxious to try but the rings I had were a tad too short so waiting on some high rings for a test run. Glass looks good and the reticle system is acceptable, but not in the SWFA league .

I have no problem with guys who want the leupold scopes for the aesthetics, I was in the same boat for a very long time and still like the looks of the gloss Leupolds on some of my rifles- most notably my rimfires. But if you're a set and forget shooter, a Bushnell Sportview would work just about as well and you could paint a cute gold circle around the bell for a lot less money than wasting it on a Leupold these days. With all the changes they are making over at the Leupold plant (5 miles from my house), they are losing business faster than they are inventing new wares- no gloss scopes any more, no custom shop work, questionable repair work, etc........ a shame really, as I and many of my buddies used to be some of their biggest fans...

Lucky for all of us there are still lots of great scopes still being made and some of them are even affordable -

Bob

Batter Up!

Bad Form

This kinda underhanded schidt won't ever be ok in my book, even if Larry said your wife was "big enough to burn diesel!"

tnothing is off limits when it comes to Stick, furthermore, I really couldnt care less what you think

It's no surprise you'd sink to that level and make excuses for yourself.

what excuses. stick is an arrogant dickhead that deserves eevrything he gets simplly due the way he treats others here. that you drop to your knees to suck his cock eevry time he posts is hats no surprise

Yeah, well, your spelling is a great indicator of the state you're in.

We all "no" Larry is a hard ass, but sinking to the level you have is rookie year/jr high schidt.

Him being right is the hardest part for most to digest though....

Information has become irrelevant these days. Hurt feelers rule. Especially standing up for "victims".

What a POS.

L M A O

"What a POS."

The final destination of every scope thread.

And after only four pages....😜

The sad thing is they have been going downhill for more than 10 years now. I lost interest after having many failures with their rifle scopes and seeing friends with scopes with issues. Not just with tracking, but total failure. A guy gets tired of sending scopes in and has to draw the line somewhere. I agree with pappy though, it is not a "hate" for Leupold, but more of a disappointment with them. Like others have also said, when those clowns came here and spewed their drivel and wouldn't answer direct questions or when they put the blame on others, that was the final nail in their coffin. They have lived a long time on their reputation, but the more guys really get out and shoot, the more they understand Leupold has many shortcomings. The guys that are mad about it are the ones sucking on Leupolds hind tit and swearing they've never had issues with their favorite gold ring scope manufacture because they only shoot a box of ammo per year. They might eventually get it, or not...Probably not..

Little dick is hardly a hard ass. I've given him several oppotunities to meet when I'm in Alaska (if thats where he really lives) to talk to me like that in person. Never even responds. Just another keyboard coward.

you get what so many others don't, or won't see, he isn't a hard ass he is a bloviating, drubken douchebag.

Crying Karens will NEVER miss an opportunity to Whine,or extoll their "virtues" of being a "Victim". Hint.(grin)

Ask one what she "does" for a "living",in order to arrange sooooooo much Estrogen. The Excuse Factory will hit on all cylinders,the High Pitched Nasal Whine will cascade in cacophonous rapture and the tears will reliably flow. Being a Brokedick Clueless Day Dreaming Delusional Dumbfhuqk Drooler,just might not be that "rewarding" for them. Even if they cain't begin to benchpress their significant other's weight,though the mass of same will shade Summer,warm Winter and pull a plow,with a "lovely" personality. The "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

It is my understanding,that Imaginary Pretend Ignore is ESPECIALLY "rewarding" to the ilk,if only because they are fueled by Fantasy and Delusion(s). The "rewards" are seemingly bolstered,when they talk about the very things they are Imagining and Pretending,to be Ignoring. Hint. Laughing!

Fortunately for them,Imagination and Pretend are free,so they can "afford" to "contribute". It's likely a VERY good thing,that their pointy heads aren't connected to an Hour Meter,which would factor the "fury" and direction of their obsessions,if only by timeline. Hint.

It ain't even "fair". On the "brightside" however,they get to "live" vicariously and frantically strive for a connection,that just don't ever seem to realize. Something mundane as a rifle scope,gets them Emotionally Distraught and they are powerless to refrain Whining Brokedicktitude and copious Hurt Feeler Reports. If ONLY their words had the power,that other's do on them. Hint

Bless their hearts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................



Oooopsie...rude of me not to hang a pic,to fuel Karens' Insecurities. Hint. LAUGHING!............

If you look into what he writes (I have him blocked so I don't see it anymore, speaking from the past) there has to be some mental illness involved or maybe caused by addication. Either way, any knowledge he has is overshadowed by his douchebaggery.

If you can't put the + of a Leupold on a critter or target and hit it, it's you, not the scope.

That's been my experience.

Jeezus Fhuqk,your Drooling CLUELESS Kchunts are on FIRE! Hint.

I'm grooving on the Vagina Monologue of The Crying Kchunt "claiming" Imaginary Pretend Ignore,but alas,the Facts just don't 'quite" align in regards to same. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!

Nextly,an Amazingly STUPID Fhuqk who can't even choose an Avatar,feels compelled to "talk" about rifle scopes! She's soooooooo "experienced" with same,that she can't correlate that in regards to Reupold,crosshair intersection do NOT correlate to projectile flight placement,which just "might" be the VERY crux of the Thread. Hint. LAUGHING!



NOTHING is fhuqking funnier,than a Texan TRYING to "talk" rifles. Hint.

You Ladies are on a fhuqking roll!

Bless your hearts for fhuqking TRYING.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................

Some folks come up with some long winded and creative excuses for sucking.

If the scopes were capable of consistently maintaining the relationship between the “+” POA and the bullet POI, what you said would be true. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case.

Fixed.

It's always easier to blame the scope than to accept that the person squeezing the trigger isn't very good.

True, but likewise it’s easier to blame one’s shooting ability the worse the person is at shooting. It’s also easier to believe a scope is good the less one shoots and submits said scope to rough use. Those things tend to be correlated.

PaulaBurnedHard,

In fairness,I musta' missed it,when the legitimacy of your Handicapped Parking Permit was EVER in "question"? It goes without saying,that your helmet is a mandate and the "perils" of your Pavement Pounding "Adventures" are less dispute...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

That being said,the only things you "shoot" are your mouth and Imagination,which fortunately for you are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". If only as a "subtle" hint,you needn't reiterate proof ad naseum (that means a fhuqking whole bunch),of same. Hint.

Some folks actually shoot Skookum Wares and get to extrapolate as per whim,as you frantically GoogleFu fruitlessly,for a FIRST Fhuqking Clue. At least you can read my EVERY word and gawk the Splendid Pixels as you "live" vicariously. Hint.

Feel free to cinch that chin strap up a smidge and delve into the particulars of "your" wares,which you deem as being "capable" to factor scope mechanics. Mainly because it will be funnier than fhuqk. The silence is deafening. Don't "forget" pics of same. Hint. LAUGHING!



Bless your heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

All stinky can do is show pictures of rusting junk in the river but can't show any competitive targets from anywhere. Hey stinky, why won't you take any of the challenges made to you from your local shooters? Afraid you will be shown up as the phoney little mutt you are?

So you're telling me my shooting ability wasn't very good when I thought I had a Leupold loosening up inside, but when (during the same shooting session) I then installed another scope on the same rifle my shooting ability improved markedly? The groups certainly did.

He can't be taken seriously

Yep. Barnyard is like a bleeder.

I am not saying that a Leupold will never fail. I am saying it makes for a convenient excuse. Of course none of our resident experts would ever be the cause of poor groups, it's those guys on other forums that can't shoot.

I'm no shrink but I strongly suspect there's quite a few pages of the DSM 5 dedicated specifically to him. Guy just ain't right in the head. There's a reason this forum has an ignore feature.

Yeah Stick'e a duch of the first order...

My LAST Leupold schit the bed in 40 rounds. Sent it back, had it repaired and quickly sold it. Never looked back...

Couple years ago my buddy bought a new tikka 7-08 that wouldn't shoot. Kept claiming the gun was a piece of schit. I told him to yank the scope. He refused because it was a brand new Leupold. Fast forward...after months of dicking with it, he finally tried a new scope and it shot lights out...

Seen that scenario play out many times with Leupold, no more as I have moved on

Do you shoot at all? I don't know anyone that has a poor shooting weapon that continues anyway and just blames the scope........

YMMV, but my three VX-5HD 3-15x44 CDS-ZL2 with the Illum. FireDot Duplex I have on my go to hunting rifles are working just as they should.
And I dial them all.

About 3 years ago, there wasn't many choices of hunting scopes with the features I wanted that weren't boat anchors. And even now the only one I would put in this same class is the Vortex Razor HD LHT 3-15x42.

I'm no Leupold fanboy, if I was having trouble they would go down the road.
As of now there is no reason to switch.

Here's 2 of 3.

There's always the option of treating the scope well huh? I typically carry mine into the shooting house and back down. Should I throw it to determine if it works right?

Repeated recoil and backcountry/mountain/horseback hunting tends to be hard on scopes. If a guy is simply carrying a scoped rifle into the shooting house and back, and limiting the recoil exposure to a box of ammo a year, any scope will likely last for years.

I don’t hate Leupold. It’s just that quite offering what I want or need in a scope a long time ago.
GreggH

What percentage of Leupold users*** who have never had any trouble at all have round counts on them in the thousands? BTW, I don't mean on top of ten pound 223s either.



***I have used a bunch of Leupolds over a long stretch of time. I still use quite a few. I thought I'd mention that before any irrational fanboy decided to brand me an uninformed "hater".

What percentage of shooters of any center fire rifles have round counts in the thousands? Hell, we can kill a deer a day for much of the hunting season here, and I still don't burn a box per year between my several rifles.

I'd say very few people in the Eastern US hunt from horseback. I suspect there are more hunters in the East than West by a good margin. We have as many licensed hunters in NY as Wyoming has total population. Pennsylvania has more licensed hunters than we do.. Never seen one hunting from horseback in the 45 years I've been hunting. It's simply amazing anybody ever killed anything before SWFA and Nightforce came along.

So then what percentage of shooters have a good basis for evaluating scope reliability?

What is reliability, what does it take to establish it, and what percentage of shooters ever get enough experience with a single scope to pronounce it reliable?

Give it up homey. They will never accept that Leupold offers great glass, in a lightweight scope that serves the overwhelming majority of owners well over the whole of their lives.

I'm guessing that most of us that have experienced multiple Leupold failures shoot a couple of orders of magnitude more than a box of ammo a year, in addition to dragging rifles through the hills and mountains, strapped to packs, horses, etc. Not that it always takes that many rounds for Leup problems to show themselves.

A buddy of mine dropped his rifle 18 ft. out of his tree stand season before last. It landed butt first and sheared the stock at the pistol grip. I bedded the barreled action into a new stock for him last summer. It still wears the same old Denver Redfield that was on the rifle when it fell from his stand. He killed four deer with it last season so I guess the scope passed the durability/reliability test.

Horseback hunting is just one variable of several that can be hard on scopes, as I mentioned.

Elmer Keith and JOC hunted from horseback frequently and by all accounts took lots of game. Seems impossible given neither one had access to NightForce or SWFA scopes. Fuggers musta been FOS.

Wow, who could have seen that coming? Almost everyone I know who uses a Leupold straps it to their 4 wheeler rack and hauls ass from the truck to the stand. None of them drag their rifles anywhere. I shoot more than a box a year and have never had a failure. Though I doubt I have a round count of over 500 on any of them. I also have some Leupold made Redfields that have been great. None have adjusted precisely getting them zeroed, but have been 100% reliable once there. VX-2 and below.

Are you saying that 70 year-old scope standards are what we should be holding current manufacturers to?

Taking game is not perfectly correlated with a scope that holds zero and works correctly.

An old Weaver may have been mechanically tougher than the subject scope, the modern Leupold.

I'm not willing to tolerate a scope that doesn't adjust correctly, I'm not into chasing zero.
Your post proves what I thought, you've never used a quality scope that adjusts as it is supposed to. Therefore you have no clue to how they should and can perform

Crazy, hey?! Those that use their gear extensively tend to be able to discern gear that works from gear that doesn't. Novel concept. If I only shot a box a year through each rifle, I don't think I'd even be able to tell whether or not my scopes actually held zero. The need to make scope adjustments before each hunting season, and the mysterious 0.5-1 MOA shift, are noticed well in advance when round count goes up, and tend to go away when using gear that works.

WOW Paul, cant believe you have the time for the uninformed here when you have the big boys just waiting on your every post on snipers hide............thank you for your inspiration

I wouldn't doubt it, but that doesn't change the fact that the line "the scope is used to kill game, so therefore it must work correctly" is simply a straw-man argument.

I've got a 21 year old Jap K-2.5 that has been mounted on a 12 gauge slug gun through 4-500 slugs and then a .30-30 for probably another 800- 1000. It still holds zero and shoots SUB MOA groups on the .30-30 today.

My comment was just an observation, certainly not offered as a logical counterpoint.

Understood. I didn't take it that way.

I watched him check zero on that rifle last fall. It was shooting about an inch to the left and put 3 shots in about a 1 1/4" group at 100. Not bad after falling 18 feet.

Agreed. I was addressing the EK and JOC comment.

I wonder if some who consider me a Leupold hater actually have and use fewer Leupold scopes than I do.

EK and JOC's scopes obviously worked well enough.

Which is why I brought up the standards to which we hold our scopes. If EK's and JOC's scopes shifted an MOA or two from one season to the next, I doubt they'd notice or care. With today's manufacturing technology, the precision of today's rifles, laser RFs, quality bullets and other components, etc., most serious shooters hold their scopes to a much higher standard than could be reasonably expected 50-70 years ago. The ability to hit a 4 MOA target and kill game is not good enough for many of us. These days, there's no excuse for a scope company to make scopes that don't adjust and hold zero properly.

Hell I have 4-5 El Paso steel tube Weavers that I would trade straight across for a.few of these junk ass vx111 2.8-8x36's

I doubt most hunters around here would sweat a 1" shift.

I have two 2.5-8x36 Leupolds and they have been solid. The younger one is 36 years old.

Yeah, I'm no hater. I've just experienced enough Leupold failures that I won't use them until I'm darn sure that things have changed.

The old adage comes to mind: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I doubt most hunters around here would sweat a 1" POI shift. My buddy didn't even bother adjusting his scope last season after seeing it was shooting an inch to the left. That don't mean shyt in the woods where we kill our deer.

Leupold was popular w groundhog hunters here, and by some pretty picky ones too.

Ive had decent luck w Leupold, hold zero fine. But I dont dial and have had my zero stay.

The issues Ive had were something funky from the factory, which they fixed or replaced ( 4 scopes since 1980 ) and the initial zero in. Varmint cartridges didnt offer enough recoil to make things stay on adj. The old wimp Leupold single spring vs the dual Burris I suspect.

Tapping turrets worked.

PITA

Around here 500 is a hell of a rip on chucks and most places under 300. So set and forget works for me.

Hard to go non Leupold when scoping a pretty rifle though.

I have an old vari-x II that has never given me any trouble.

And that's why many scope companies still get away with making scopes that aren't mechanically robust. Most guys don't know or care whether their scopes work properly or not, as long as they can hit a 12" vital zone at 100 yards. And even if they can't, they assume the problem is their shooting, not that the scope has Jello for an erector assembly.

I have several rifles that will shoot .5 - .75" 100 yard groups and have held zero for years. None of them wear SWFA or NightForce scopes. A couple even wear Leupolds. None of them go horseback but some do frequently ride in the rack on my ATV.

Which comes back full circle to the fact that there are scopes made for guys that demand aesthetics and light weight over tight mechanical tolerances and quality build, and there are scopes made for guys that demand more stringent mechanical function from their scopes. But don't try and blow smoke up my skirt by telling me that there's no mechanical difference between the two.

If they do what you want, then carry on! Leupolds of yesteryear held zero better than recent offerings, IME.

How about brand new Leupold's that came out of the box with canted reticle?

Why do you suppose that is ? You'd think somebody would take some scopes apart and see what has changed.

I know varmint dudes that handload and quite a few run Leupold.

Theyre kinda picky about group size and holding zero.

Yeah a lot of weekend bambi slayers are not and may never notice some variability.

Joan,

Your Imagination and Pretend are mechanically HILARIOUS,you "trend setter" you. Hint.

Kudos for aligning Brokedicktitude with STUPIDITY. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!....................

Some guys are content with fantastic warranty service. Others are unhappy if there's a failure in the first place.

I have two M8 6x42s that need a trip to the repair shop. They both developed rattles.

It was easy to tell when the last one went. I had it on an accurate 243 that really loves the 87 grain Vmax. When 300 yard silhouette "groups" went from pouring round after round into one paint splash on the head tab to barely being able to stay on the torso section it was clear something was amiss.

Until they shape up on the fixed power line, I won’t buy another.

WHO THE HECK DISCONTINUES A 4x ?

I've used and still own a few Leupolds , but my experience is the older models were a lot more reliable and robust than the newer versions. I used to be a big Leupold fanboy and now I have had my fill of tapping turrets at the range when sighting in to get them to do what they are supposed to do and taking 15 shots to sight in when I could do it in 3 or 4 with most other scopes I own...
I hear this same argument about other scopes- particularly Vortex... I can't count the number of times I have heard Vortex fanboys on facebook and on these hunting/shooting forums going on about how great their warranty is... well, there is only one way to find that out and a LOT of guys are apparently using their warranty... in case you haven't noticed, a lot of guys are also saying that about Leupolds these days except possibly for their $2000+ models , which most hunters either can't afford or don't want to take out in the field for fear of putting a scratch on one... Yeah, I know now somebody will pipe up about how they own 6 of the Leupold Vari X 6HD or some other Leupold offering that is $2500 and they haven't had a lick of trouble with it. Well, the same thing should be said of the lower offerings. I have much less issues with my Bushnell Elite scopes than I ever had with my Leupolds by a huge margin. I did bend a scope tube on one a couple years ago and sent it in and they made me a ridiculously low offer on replacing it with a new Bushnell but I had to come up with too much cash difference to make it worthwhile...

All I really want is a scope that adjusts the amount it is supposed to adjust every time you turn the turret- be it at the range setting zero or dialing a long range shot... and I don't really care if that is a Leupold scope or a SWFA or a Bushnell LHRS.... just make it work every time and I'll buy it.... the search continues but there are much better choices out there at the moment.... Maybe by some miracle Leupold execs will get their heads out of their asses and figure out how to make a reliable scope again and will have to hire a thousand people to make enough to meet supply- but I don't see that happening in my lifetime...

Bob

Everybody's a fuuckin sniper nowdays and wants a 5 pound telescope with big ass turrets to be cool. Nobody actually wants to hunt anymore. Just shoot shyt from a half mile away.

BC grizzly, black bear, elk and moose, Alberta black bear, African serval to Cape buffalo, US multiple elk, deer and hogs without an issue with hundreds down the bores. Awaiting a go for this years BC hunt moved from last year for goat, elk and moose, 16 days on horseback with my Remington M700 rebore 338-06 with the same 2.5-8x Vari-X III that worked in all of its previous hunts. No worries here.

I was at Physio Control in the 1990s when they were attacked by Ralph nader for having defibrillator failures. When you have most of the defibrillators in the field, you may have the most failures.

I rather enjoy The Excuses,which are simply "formulated"on Dumbfhuqktitude. Hint.

Everything "works",when it's NOT Tested. One of THE Greatest guys I worked for,had The Reupold Affliction and despite him having millions on me,I simply made Mechanical Sense. I told him "fhuqk everyone/everything,just gun Scope Guts" and his World changed. Hint.

Simply run 100yd lineal stadia,denote the "cited" come-up "values" and let Reality CRUSH Fantasies,if only for starters. Hint.

Barbed Wire,Rental Attempts and Reality seldom cross paths. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

I realize you will find this fascinating, but one or two scopes aren't a reliable sample to determine reliability of a manufacturer....

As long as they meet your requirements that's great. Use them and enjoy them.

For some folks "hundreds down the bores" is something that's done in a single shooting session with dialing adjustments for range between groups of shots at different distances. The differences show up here.

This. And it's still tougher. As I recently discovered when I put a K2.5 on a '36 M70 '06.

If you expect to have to check zero after each session, and are willing to blame bedding for all shifts, you might not notice Leup deficiencies.

Till you mount that K2.5 and find POI doesn't shift, or until you get a SWFA.

Scopes fix bedding problems. Who knew.

Not doing it all at once, but the Leups will be replaced.

And my "old" M8-8x became a rattle. Sent back, now on a 10/22. Hmmm.....may have to rethink that semiauto blowback recoil. Maybe just unload it.

Always had junck scopes or old Redfields. Bought them cheeeep.
Then I put a used Leupold on s lighter 300 mag.
Chased zero, every year.
Hmm, flimsy stock?
Stiffened, bedded it.
Still a beat up, pissed off shooter.
Chasing zero.

Put one on my 308.
Good stock, bedded.
Replaced mounts.
Rebedded everything.


Still issues.

Never considered it could be a problem with the scope.
"Hell I've got Leupolds."
Never had any issues with Bushnells or Tascos.

Then I started seeing these posts about the problem.
Hmmmm. Sounds familiar.

I'm not an Indian.
Not much of a tracker.
But can see the signs here. (If they are pointed out to me.)


PS. The old 3x9 on a 760 30-06 tracks fine.

Oh, no, of course not.That's why you are posting as prolifically as you are in a Leupold hate thread.

I have several scopes that adjust properly. My Meopro seems to be well respected here. It is one that adjusts properly. I am kinda meh about it. All of my scopes do what I need them to do. My Leupolds do more than I want them to. They make presumably grown men melt down.

Apparently reliability cannot be established unless the scope has a round count into the thousands, gets dragged across mountains and rides in a scabbard on horseback. Now we must have more than one or two that have passed that test before we have a reliable scope.

You admit in this post that none adjust properly, yet you still will not admit their failures






LMAO

Why would I lie about failures? None have failed me for what I use them for. I certainly won't pitch a hissy fit if you want to call imprecision in adjusting to zero a failure. If it makes you feel better, please do so. You obviously need some joy in your life.

I case your small brain can't comprehend, I'll lay it out fir you FAILURE to adjust properly is a FAILURE

LMAO

Lean into your joy hun, lean into it!

If you can't shoot 1 shot measure the difference between POI and POA, adjust if the next shot isn't spot on where it's supposed to be, the scope is a POS

Plain as day, but the amazing part is those that don't get that

I shot rifles chambered in 6mmbr and 30br in a local Varmint For Score match when I was in Colorado.
It's a monthly match and there was plenty of time to check out the other rifles to see what worked for that game and what didn't.
I'm cheap so I started with a Weaver 36x but there were also Leupold 36x and 45x, Nightforce variables and Sightron 36x on the line.

After a while, an optics upgrade seemed in order but I couldn't justify the cost of a Nightforce for a monthly match.
I was envious of the glass in the Leupold scopes until I saw how poorly they tracked if you needed to adjust during the match.
Most of the Leupold shooters would "hold off" to hit the 10 ring rather than try to adjust 1/4" and then waste time shooting the sighter target to see where they were actually hitting.

The Weaver and Sightron 36x would move one click when you adjusted one click so I never did "Upgrade".

I still have one Leupold VXII 3-9 on a 7x57 that seems fine for that job.

Lean into it hun! Hard!

Is that your meable attempt at humor

If there is a single word that best describes me, it is meable.

Reputation sabotage by Korean hackers paid for by Vortex....and the Russians.

Sounds familiar.

I have an older, friction knob Vari-X II 3-9 on a Hornet that, IIRC, hasn’t been touched since I got it dialed in with the The Load about 20 years ago. How many rounds and how many “taps” it took to get there are forgotten. A 2-7 ML model has endured at least 200 rounds on a very light and pretty lively .50 without issue so far. My present VX-5HD 2-10 and a VX-3i 3.5-10 sighted in and seemed to adjust okay, probably because the double springs in those have enough azz to move the erector without having to jar it loose by banging on the turret. The 3 is gone, but the 5 is still on a 6mm (but may get sent back to correct the fuzz on the reticle). Those are the Good, at least so far.

The Bad are all the ones that need to be banged on to get sighted in, including (but far from only) an M8 4X I bought to be “period correct” on an old custom, and a VX-2 3-9 purchased a few years ago. Shoot. Adjust. Shoot again. Adjust. Shoot again, swear because when it finally moved it went too far. Adjust back, bang on the knobs, and finally when POI seems to stay where I want it, call it good, and hope it doesn’t decide to finish moving on the way home or at some other random moment. We all say we want to shoot more, but I don’t think this is what we mean. How much ammo did all that consume? If the load wasn’t quite as good as we expected, was it the load, the rifle, the crusty old codger at the helm, or the scope? Do I have to go home and crank out more ammo because I burned up so much trying to sight in?

Now I have a bunch of scopes from other makers that adjust properly and hopefully will stay put; none have very many rounds on them as yet. Have one that jumped zero on a Mini-14, a tough ride, that has to be tested then maybe put on a .22, or simply set aside. Not going to suffer any more that don’t measure up, whatever the brand.

I have (50) Leupolds and only (1) failure. That was my fault for building a cantilevered [diving board] scope base that shook the reticle out. Leupold sent me a new scope.

Compare that to the trouble I have had with my
(1) USO, manufactured wrong, adjustable objective off by 180 degrees in the double pitch threads... they fixed for free
(1) B&L manufactured wrong, the 4x12x40 made with misaligned lenses
(2) Burris, (1) runs down battery
(6) IOR, (1) has a turret failure
(1) Zeiss Conquest has a 12X BCD reticle in a 15X scope, and US customer support that just keeps asking me with weight of my bullet, so they can run their computer program
(5) SWFA (1) manufactured wrong, the 20X made with misaligned lenses...they offered me a trade in. I told them it would be morally wrong to let them to sell it again.

Maybe you just don't know what a failure is.

Or maybe you need to run thousands of rounds through them, carry them in a scabbard on horseback or drag them across mountains, you know, because mountains are harder on scopes than swamps, rocky creek beds, woods and the high desert.

Not directed at anyone here, but I'd bet just as many "scope failures" can be attributed to poor mounting, wind/environmentals, shooter error, etc as actual scope failure. Yes, even at 100 yds. Not everyone is named David Tubb.

I've had very few if any problems with my 7 Leupold scopes. I'm not saying you're full of it if you say you have, I'm just saying I haven't experienced it.

Of course there are those that have failures but have no clue they are experiencing a failure

After reading this I tried to quantify my limited experience with Leupold scopes. I don’t know what should be classified as an “older” one, so I added the year of manufacture. The first one I’ve rezeroed for different loads and ranges many times, but all are used set and forget. The only problem I’ve had with any of them is several the ocular bell lock ring won’t stay tight, but otherwise I’m happy with all of them. Their current production doesn’t appeal to me, but thankfully I have more scope than I need so won’t be looking for new ones. I’ll leave others to argue the quality of their current production. Make of this data set what you will.

VX-II 3-9x40 from 2005 on .30-’06: Bought new. 2,525 rounds.

M8 6x42 from 1993 on 223: Bought used. 2,246 rounds.

FX-3 6x42 from 2009 on 8x57: Bought new. 953 rounds.

VariX-III 1.5-5x20 from 1985 on 350 Rem Mag. Bought used. 397 rounds.

VX-2 2-7x33 from 2017 on 308. Bought new. 68 rounds.

FX-2 3x20 from 2018 on 444 Marlin. Bought new. 30 rounds.

That's so true. Expectations definitely differ. Usually based on use, and sometimes skill levels. There are guys posting in this thread who, in addition to hunting, shoot competitive rifle disciplines, and at least several thousand rounds of CF a year. Plus RF. Guys who can regularly shoot below 1/2 MOA... can pick up on failing equipment, or problems with their own shooting fundamentals, and take steps to correct the problems. Other guys may not notice the same type of failing, for years. Or ever. And that's one of the shortcomings of opinions on the Internet- it's not always easy to tell what a commenters experience level is, but everyone gets to post theirs.

It's all good. Guys should use what makes them happy. Life is short.

Let your happiness shine through. I am going to be as meable as possible today.

These Leupold threads while entertaining, are repetitive and predictable.


The emotional investment some seem to have in their scope choice is humorous. Honestly, who cares? Use whatever you want. It's your $$ and you only have to please yourself.

And Moochelle may be a female,but I doubt either...

Wait, I am not meable anymore?

I get a kick out of the guys endlessly punching holes in paper from a bench or twiddling knobs to bang steel at long ranges from their bipod and stressing if their scope does't move POI precisely 1/4" per click at 100. Both bore me to tears and have nothing to do with my success in the field. Wonder how good those boys can shoot offhand at 50-100 yards. That's what's important to my hunting success and what I practice constantly, mostly with .22's on my back yard range and I know I can step out the back door right now and bang out a 1.5" or so group from 50 yards with my .22 or .30-30. Most of the bench/bipod bound boys at my club range can't hit a bushel basket at 100 yards without a solid rest. They must all hunt from stands with rests. They sure wouldn't kill much still hunting or tracking when they had to take that quick off hand shot at 75 yards to fill their tag.

I have hundreds of rifles, like I am living in a gunsmith junk yard.

When I go to the range, I take tools and lots of rifles to test.
I help other people who are having trouble with bad groups.
For years I noticed that more than half my problems and other people's problems were the scope base screws were loose.

Then I did this simple derivation:

Scope base screws are not stressed in shear, but in tension.
If my 142 gr bullet maximum acceleration is from 500 fps to 2000 fps in 0.4 ms then an 8 pound rifle will try to accelerate from 1.27 fps to 5.07 fps in 0.4 ms. This is an acceleration of 9500 ft/sec squared.
If a 2 pound scope were part of that 8 pound rifle during that acceleration the force between the rifle and the scope would be
f = m a = 2 pounds 9500 f/ss = [9500 f/ss] [2 pounds / [Gc = 32 f/ss]]= 594 pounds.

If there were 4 screws in shear that would be 148 pounds force / screw.
That screw has a 0.12" minor diameter
A = pi r r = .011 sq in
Grade 5 bolt [American cap screws] has a shear strength of 72,000 psi
Each screw would have a shear strength of 814 pounds.

But they are not in shear.
They are in tension.
Grade 5 bolts are good for 127,000 psi in tension.
Each screw is good for 1436 pounds force in tension.
They are pre loaded to about half that, making a clamping force of 700 pounds.
The coefficient of static friction between the steel scope base and the receiver is ~ 0.6
So each screw provides a static state up to 420 pounds recoil force.
4 screws 1680 pounds.
But the hard kicking lightweight rifle and heavy scope only have 594 pounds peak force between them.
1680 pounds friction is greater than 420 pounds recoil, therefor the bases stay put.
If they were to slip, the screws might see shear forces, but that would require operator error in tightening the screws.

But you already noticed that 22 rimfires stay sighted in.

You can put all the oil you want on a 22.

Oil can cause wood stocks to split, but probably not with a 22.

I often wonder this as well. Or............. has a funky scope had me second guessing myself.

A tough call, but the shooter needs to be totally honest with themselves to realize who or what is screwing up the shots. Talking small errors of course, not the big, obvious, somethings really screwed up stuff.

That's right. There's a lot of Ernest Tubbs out there too.

Damn. All of the Leupold haters on here. There has to be some of your with a vx 111 2.5-8 or an fx111 6x laying around that are willing to do a heads up trade for some well used El Paso Weavers. I even have a Cheena made Bushnell for some boot.
C'mon fellers, aren't they are fuqqn ol pieces of schitt right ? Trade em in here and step into some quality old glass. Or are they not as bad as what you all say they are ?

Some people consider failure to be "completely unusable" - others say "if it doesn't repeatably track or return to zero - it's not working as it should - that's failure"

First group - says "my car burns oil, the passenger door only opens from the outside and there's a weird shimmy above 55mph but I get where I'm going and have been for 2 years!"

2nd groups says "it may work but it's still a chunk of chitt, this is better over here...."

Stihl

I have continually tried to read these threads and in the end this is where I always end up. It makes me laugh that if you don’t do it this way or that way it’s wrong. Kinda comical.

Enjoy hunting, shooting, etc the way it makes you happy and can afford. To much other real BS to worry about this topic.

For the person who buys a rifle to hunt deer with, a scope behaving imprecisely during zero is of no consequence. That shooter will get it zeroed and never dick with it again. That's not a failure, since the scope serves its purpose of allowing the shooter to kill deer. Then an internet blowhard comes along and insists that scope is a failure despite the fact that it does exactly what the shooter wants it to do.

20 years ago I was complaining about internet blow hards giving benchrest technique advice to deer hunters.

Return to zero isn't just after an adjustment is made at the caps. It needs to return to zero after recoil.

Ideally - you sight in a rifle once and done. None of these mad rushes the 10 days before season to "make sure it's on" with a couple shots that turns into 6.

Rifles never should lose zero sitting in the cabinet. They lose zero or fail to RTZ after recoil AND turret spinning - should one chose to do so.

It’s possible to care about, and practice, both styles of shooting (unsupported field positions as well as supported positions). Some people hunt mixed terrain in addition to shooting target/competition at paper and/or steel.

Your example is a good illustration of scope expectations differing. The first guy isolates scope function and notices a 1 MOA shift or a failure to track or RTZ, while you expect to keep all your shots within about 3 MOA from offhand, so probably wouldn’t notice or care if your scope’s zero jumped by 1 MOA with each shot, as long as it didn’t prevent the 3 MOA offhand groups. Nothing wrong with that, just different expectations from the scope.

Clark,

Since you’re a records-keeping kind of guy, how many rounds are on most of those scopes? I’m curious because you seem to be constantly building rifles and said that you own hundreds, so it’s unlikely that you are able to rack up the round count on individual rifles. Nothing wrong with that, but builders/collectors would be expected to have far fewer scope failures than shooters/hunters, simply due to exposing individual scopes to less cumulative hard use and recoil.

For big game hunting out to 400-450 yards max, this is the single most important factor to me.

Old-style Vari-X IIIs (and Burris Signature models as well) have done me well in that regard for the past thirty-plus years. Over that time, one Leupold and one Burris (out of over thirty different scopes) have gone back to the factory, not for RTZ issues, but seal leaks.

It's an acceptable rate for me. Both of them were on large caliber, belted magnum chamberings seeing several hundred rounds through them, and hard use in the field.

LMAO, you don't want a scope to adjust properly? You enjoy the Leupold shuffle? Wasting ammo sighting in, instead of working on being a better shot

The only blowhards are those that can't recognize FAILURE

It is lost on some people that when comparing two scopes, one with an erector assembly designed and built to move correctly through lots of use (track, RTZ, etc.), and the other that moves erratically due to design and build quality, it is not unreasonable to expect the first to stay put more reliably than the second, as well as moving more reliably.

Meable.

Paul you are definitely meable when it comes to Leupold scopes

That's not lost on me at all. That doesn't change my reality that once I have set a scope for a given load, I have never had shifting issues with scopes that have had some mystery in zeroing. I am going to pull my 257 Roberts Ruger Ultralight out of the safe this October and shoot 2, 3 round groups at 100 yards. It is going to give me the same 1 1/2 inch groups that it has for the past 20 years, to the same point of impact with the same load. I may or may not use it during hunting season this year. If I do use it, I will have a one shot kill.

Might shoot better than 1 1/2 MOA with a quality scope

It might, but I don't need it to. Then again, that same scope on a different rifle might deliver this kind of fail.

I know his style is rough and unforgiving, but when it comes to shooting he is worth listening to...in the case of a forum he is worth reading.

Don’t confuse me enjoying discussing scope function with me hating a particular brand.

Though in addition to the mechanical issues, I’m also not much of a fan of the direction in which Leupold’s corporate governance has taken it.

How many rounds were wasted chasing zero with a scope that doesn't adjust correct and that PIA of tapping turrets to get the adjustment to settle in

Hell if I remember how many shots I needed. I don't consider them wasted, but I support your need to. I have never needed to tap turrets.

All true except in the case of me and my particular Marlin .30-30. It is capable of consistent sub MOA 3 shot groups. If it were jumping zero by 1" between shots, I'd know it. I check zero on it periodically and it hasn't needed any adjustment in years. It wears a 1-4X20 vari-x II.

I don't mind a little imprecision in adjustment on my inexpensive scopes. After seeing Leupold come in here on their live stream and say what they said, I don't think I'll ever buy more than their base models. A VX-5HD 3-15x44 Firedot is exactly what I want in spec. I have come so close to buying one several times, but the information I have absorbed on the internet has given me pause. Unfortunately, there is nothing else out there that competes with that model.

Carry on with whatever works for you. Nobody is trying to change your reality.

The problem is that when you and others state something like “been using 20 Leupolds for 30 years, with no failures,” you’re implying that your Leupolds work as advertised. I would submit that your use/requirements of the scope do not depend on whether or not it works as advertised. Leupold scopes are advertised (whether implicitly or explicitly) as being adjustable in specific increments (whether 1/4 MOA, 0.1 MRAD, etc.), and retaining that erector setting even when subjected to repeated recoil. IMO/IME, an unacceptably high percentage of Leups don’t perform to these standards.

[quote=Clarkm]I have hundreds of rifles, like I am living in a gunsmith junk yard.

When I go to the range, I take tools and lots of rifles to test.
I help other people who are having trouble with bad groups.
For years I noticed that more than half my problems and other people's problems were the scope base screws were loose.

Then I did this simple derivation:

Scope base screws are not stressed in shear, but in tension.
If my 142 gr bullet maximum acceleration is from 500 fps to 2000 fps in 0.4 ms then an 8 pound rifle will try to accelerate from 1.27 fps to 5.07 fps in 0.4 ms. This is an acceleration of 9500 ft/sec squared.
If a 2 pound scope were part of that 8 pound rifle during that acceleration the force between the rifle and the scope would be
f = m a = 2 pounds 9500 f/ss = [9500 f/ss] [2 pounds / [Gc = 32 f/ss]]= 594 pounds.

If there were 4 screws in shear that would be 148 pounds force / screw.
That screw has a 0.12" minor diameter
A = pi r r = .011 sq in
Grade 5 bolt [American cap screws] has a shear strength of 72,000 psi
Each screw would have a shear strength of 814 pounds.

But they are not in shear.
They are in tension.
Grade 5 bolts are good for 127,000 psi in tension.
Each screw is good for 1436 pounds force in tension.
They are pre loaded to about half that, making a clamping force of 700 pounds.
The coefficient of static friction between the steel scope base and the receiver is ~ 0.6
So each screw provides a static state up to 420 pounds recoil force.
4 screws 1680 pounds.
But the hard kicking lightweight rifle and heavy scope only have 594 pounds peak force between them.
1680 pounds friction is greater than 420 pounds recoil, therefor the bases stay put.
If they were to slip, the screws might see shear forces, but that would require operator error in tightening the screws.

But you already noticed that 22 rimfires stay sighted in.

You can put all the oil you want on a 22.

Oil can cause wood stocks to split, but probably not with a 22.
[Clarkm I also try to help folks at the range. Loose mounting screws are the number one issue. Folks will shoot several boxes of ammo before asking for help. After may 10 instances this year alone the first thing I do is grab the scope and see if it moves. Many times it does. I had only one scope failure in may be 50 years until I started verifying zero from a good rest. One other thing I noticed is how few scopes actually are repeatable. I well remember with the old Weavers and Redfields if I ever got them zeroed not messing with the adjustments. I am still amazed at the number of "hunters" who refuse to shoot paper at least to verify their sights.
The only 2 Leupolds I have had that actually failed were a 2x7 after maybe 40 years on between a Number1 in 375 H&H and a Number1 in 300 win. and a new 1.5x5 after maybe 150 rounds on a .416 Rigby. All my fixed powers 2.5, 3, 4, and 6. Have been very reliable as have several 3x9's.

That loser is never worth listening to. You can get the same or better info from normal people around here.

Not to me. anyone that calls me a [bleep] or whatetever crap comes from his mouth while hiding behind a keyboard isn't worth listening to. I visit where he is supposed to be from a couple times a year. I gave him several chances to talk to me like that in person. Never a response. I've since realized that was stupid of me. The mentally ill can't be held accountable for their words, and if I did kick the crap out of him what would that make me? Best to just ignore

If one's purpose is to educate and influence an audience, then one probably shouldn't refer to said audience with vulgar, insulting words.

Since B.S. (how fitting?) is constantly doing that, one must come to the conclusion that those aren't his goals with his posts. If that is the case, then what are his goals, and why does he do it?

They certainly are not to educate and influence others. At that, he fails miserably.

About the only parts of his posts I actually understand are the vulgar terms. The rest is semi-literate jibberish.

Well Paul, I can tell you my three VX-5HD 3-15x44 Firedots are working great for me. I think you would like them. No issues except for the pitiful wide duplex that I can live with because of the lit dot.
I use these for hunting, because of the features and lighter weight, very few scopes have this combination. I don't need my scopes to pound tent stakes. Or anchor a ship. I don't blast away with my hunting rifles all year long. I've done my load development and they shoot with very good accuracy. Before the season I check them to my satisfation and run them well past what I would shoot at live game in the field. I see no reason to subject them to any unnecessary recoil all year long. Would they hold up to 10,000 rounds like all these naysayers shoot? Don't know, don't care.

Much to the dismay of the haters, these are working well for what I use them for.
If they did not, they would be tripped.

It's not about hate it's when you realize a product does not work as it should. For me, I change scopes a lot when they will not reliably adjust to zero its very revealing, especially after a Leupold has come back from the repair shop.

Life is short want reliability in my scopes, now that reloading components are tough to come by want to stick with stuff that works as it should.

For those that have Leupolds that have worked for years have you ever tried adjusting them to see if they track and go back to zero?

Yes, mine are functioning the way they should. For three years, they are a fairly new model.

But I don't pick the rifles up by the scope turret and spin them around like Stick does either.

Why the fugg would I do that ?

i gotta agree why would i care if it still shoots center ?

Serious question.
We have determined that NF, SWFA and some bushnells do everything that Leupold users are not getting. Easy initial zero, rtz, etc.
Why doesn't Leupold spend an extra 15$ and add a couple ounces, to get what the others give. Wouldn't have to make any announcement, just fix it. They would corner the market as they had at one time.
I often wonder how a scope is determined to not be moving a bullet 1/4 inch at 100 yards if the gun is only capable of shooting a 3/4" group, and thats a pretty good shooting gun if folks will admit it.

Yes I have tried. I have a vx 111 3.5-10x40 that wouldn't track.
Ran the windage and elevation knobs all the way in and put,then reset it to the center of adjustment. It tracked fine after that.
It had been sitting on the shelf in the safe for a few years.
I do have duplicate calibers that I shoot different weights of bullets from, not a knob turner.
So it's not a big deal if I change a load and have to run the knobs in and put every few years on a given scope.
The Leupold isn't the only scope I have ever owned that I have had to do this to. So it's not just a Leupold issue.

I have wondered the same thing.

well i don`t think lower priced type scope like the common 3X9 Leupold scope that hunters use for hunting give a chit if his scope tracks perfect and yes i use this cheaper scope sometimes too. i also have killed more critters with a 22 Hornet with a lower priced 4 x Leupold than any other rifle /scope combination i own plus i sighted this combo in 4 years ago ,i have no ideal if it tracks or hits the center of the circle/bulleyes anymore but it still kills those critters rather its 90 degrees or 20 below ,this rifle combo hangs in the uninsulated garage all year long never gets cleaned either or checked for still sighted in.
but when i shoot long range either at targets ,for competition or longer range hunting over 300 yards then yes i use a expensive NIghtforce scope . so why would most hunters spend a bunch of money on a expensive scope to kill a deer at 50 -75 yards once a year ? when a lower priced Leupold will still work just fine for a hunter ?

A VERY Wise Man,stated early in this Thread:

(''Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.'').

Not that I don't enjoy Dumbfhuqks arguing over how little they do,to corroborate same. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

A short, fat, unfit, pathetic, self-loathing cundt of a human once said:

"A VERY Wise Man,stated early in this Thread:

(''Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.'').

Not that I don't enjoy Dumbfhuqks arguing over how little they do,to corroborate same. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................."

LOL

Funny, yet true.

PaulaBurnedHard,

It's your Imagination,simply Pretend with it as you MUST...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon a typical day here,incorporating more Splendid Wares on a single outing,than you've "seen" in your "life". I get it,that you Whining CLUELESS Brokedicks are in over your pointy heads and haven't the "abilities","means" or "comprehension" to field Skookum Rigging,but at least you gals "get" to read about it and clamor to the Splend Pixels. That's gotta "count" for something? Don't it? Hint. LAUGHING!




Keep them Excuses flowing,as you extoll the Sweet "Satisfactions" that are your's via Vagina Monologue and repeatedly Meltdown. You Crying Karens are certainly a "rugged" lot! Hint.

Don't "forget": (''Nobody with a shred of sense or anything bordering a First Fhuqking Clue,could field one with a straight face and say "that's good",as they are blown out of the water at every price point. The less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" they are. Unfortunately,Reupold is for Crying Karens,as it is a warm/fuzzy Gold Ring notion,predicated on that which one was,but is no longer. Hint.'').

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...................

I noticed that in the 18 years I've been here - I've learned the least from those that bitch the most about Larry's posts.

FAIL

Not enough tape

It is fascinatingly HILARIOUS,how "real" Imagination and Pretend becomes,if only due to necessity,for the Paper Hat Brigade...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Bless their poor poor(literally) hearts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

I have more rifles than that but I'm too poor to afford all the fancy stickers, tape, paint and rust. Man I am so jealous. LOL

Aint it strange?

Joan,

It is VERY "surprising" that a single frame from a typical afternoon,fuels your exceedingly WELL founded Insecurities in sucha' manner...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

There's zero need for you to reiterate,that you have not ONE sound rifle. Hint.



Bless your poor poor(literally) heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!....................

Wow, more tape, paint, rust and stickers. Impressive man ! LMAO

Must not pay attention to the right people then.

No animals were harmed in the production of these pictures.

Karen(s),

I rather enjoy your High Pitched Nasal Whines...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Purty BIG Day for you Whining CLUELESS Kchunts,as now you can say you've "seen" a Reupold MK4 6x M3(tossed all the BDC turrets offa cliff and of course drive it in MOA,jiving with the turrets). Hint.



Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Nope - I pay attention to those that add value, it's how you garner attention. I stand by my statement.

There's been some girth added in the 20 years since that photo was taken.

Paula,

You be certain to cinch that chin strap and keep typing with your mask on,while lauding your vaccination...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

CERTAINLY the Greatest Day you've had in sometime,if not forever. Now you can say you've "seen" a Self Shucking Whizzum! Hint.




Bless your poor poor(literally) heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........

The only reasons Leupold became popular are:

A. they offered 4" eye relief back in the day when the competition was all running 3" .

B. They gained market share back in the days when nobody heard about dialing a turret. Hell, they were running friction adjust for [bleep]'s sake.

Now there are tons of better scopes on the market, but people still flock to Leupold because the one in their closet collecting dust has been "great!"

Leupolds were also "pretty" on a sporter rifle. They had good aesthetics, compared to many other brands. And they were light.

Good optical quality at a given price

Lightweight

Great low light performance

Industry leading eye relief

Very easy to get behind

Set, forget, shoot, eat venison

Watch people whine about it

Walking Small-the early years...

Paula,

What camera equipment do you "own" and "use",besides the Imaginary Pretend kind...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?




Always been a sucker for catchlight. Hint.



I tend to default with APS-H Sensors,but suffer FF too. Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........

I know pretty much nothing about photography. I use point and shoot cameras.

Paula,

What camera did you use for your Sheep picture...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Beings your having such an EXCEPTIONAL day,with all these new discoveries,it's only fair leave Blowback behind and go to a locking Piston Gun in Self Shucking Whizzum. Hint.





Now you can say you've "seen" a Franklin too! Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

I’m betting that what you may have learned from anyone here wouldn’t fill a thimble if it was pure water.

And no hacksaw!

Crying Karen(s),




You gals are Moths to The Flame. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Jimmy dean throat; pay attention, teal and Higgenz have a lot to learn…. About nothing… haha

I must respectfully disagree with your interpretation of Big Stick's intentions. He subjects his gear to hard use in a harsh environment. Other than work all he does is prepare to shoot and shoot. I would estimate he has put over 1 million rounds down range. He tells anyone that reads his posts what equipment he uses, why he uses it and not some other gear, and he displays obvious successes in his endeavors. Again, his style may be insulting or rude, but his information is spot-on.

Hog neck, teal needs to learn something!!! Please help her out!! Haha

Fuuck leave a couple weeks, Ol Kerri has her ass up in the air “again”, and you know everything again!!! Haha 😂😂

No testosterone either . Barnyard looked at Walmart and Dollar General , but they were plum out. He made a good contact for homemade spandex though .

You got reamed out pretty good , Eh?

LMAO

So true!! Haha

Now that's more like it...

This is pretty much it… but folks feel soooo much cooler with big turrets, carbon barrels flat brims and Sitka gear! 👍😂

I have noticed (1) constant, folks that have the carbon barrels, sponge bob stocks, flat bills, geovids and spendy scopes bitch waaaaay more than they kill/hunt.. bank on it.👍

Old Oscar Hormel can't handle a rifle thats taller than he is so he chops it off! Grease altering [bleep]. Your wife left ya? Bet nobody saw that coming! raffin!

Poor poor, literally fuucks ain’t got a choice but to be a stupid ignorant fuuck.. but hey, there’s a couple dummies that are”learning “ something!!! Haha 😂😂

In the time it took your dumbass to chop that barrel like a stupid fuuck you are, I had thi hammer chambered, fitted, bedded ready to roll… hint🖕🏿😂😂

la croix good for you

Steve Kostanich…. Google him hog neck..

Haha 😂👍

Hahaha!

Crying Karen,

Kudos on The Big Weekend Trip and all of your fresh Insecurities...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?




How many times did you think about me?

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

nice L glass, stick ...

I thought about you while I was grunting out last night's Golden Corral buffet this morning.

Karen,

I'm VERY "surprised" to learn of your fixations...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?




Fortunately for you and your ilk,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford' to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your heart for doing your best,with what incredibly little you "have" to "work" with.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Bacon throat, can you please pick 1 thing to bitch and moan about?? No one cares about your [bleep]/ignorant gunsmithing skills. It is nice you you check out my pics secretly, wishing you had the means/abilities to do the same.. sausage fest is closing in fast, how long til the next “hitch”?😂😂

Crying Karen,

I rather enjoy it when you get some suds in you and TRY to get "brazen"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Hell...you can almost punctuate for yourself. ALMOST.

Hint.

Bless your heart for Trying though.

Hint.

LAUGHING!..................

Bacon throat, don’t take “suds” to redass a pile like you. Diggin the cull gunsmith work!! So much to learn from the resident sawed off rat turd. 👍😂

He's richer than the Rockefeller's but can't afford a lathe.

The hacksaw is the normal method of cutting a barrel off. Barrel is then squared and crowned.

Yep.👍

Most folks get it right outta the gate so you don’t have to do stupid [bleep] again. Hog neck does alotta stupid shiit for “shock” factor, which impresses the city slicker crowd, ie; having a kid throw a scope around the yard, barely tossing a rifle on a loggin road, laying rifles in cricks etc. back when nothing was better than a leupold. 😂😂

Crying Karen,

Your High Pitched Nasal Whine is simply soothin',undoubtedly from a "life" of practice...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?






Slow morning,if only like always. Hint.



Bless your heart for Whining,Crying and Trying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

I thought that this was an interesting article dealing with scopes. https://precisionrifleblog.com/2017/03/03/long-range-scopes-pros-use/

It is VERY "compelling",that you "get" to read about Shooting...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?





In fairness howver,I've not ordered a new scope,since this morning. It wasn't a Reupold either,but will be compared to multiple Reupolds,if only because that schit never ain't not fhuqking FUNNY. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Bacon throat, aka LarryO!!! Judging from your house, it’s no wonder your wares are japped up piles of [bleep], though it’s not surprising after looking how you dress while goin to a graduation! 😂😂😂👍

Only a stupid fuucking Alaskan would think a fawn is a “big deal “.. haha

LarryO, bacon throat, just imagination and pretended this’n this mornin, loves those little gold rings on em. 👍

Sweet!

We cut them with a band saw then square and crown in a lathe.

Crying Karen,

The only thing I enjoy more than your High Pitched Nasal Whine,are how chock hull of Emotions your never ending Vagina Monlogues are and the number of very WELL founded Insecurities you incur...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?





Do not "forget",that the less you "know","see" or "do",the "better" Reupold is. Hint.

Bless your heart for Whining,Crying and Trying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

Bacon throat, you keep running your yap punchin paper, I’ll keep stackin bone. 👍

PS you forgot something


😂😂🖕🏿

Crying Karen,

Here's to the Sweet "Satisfactions" that are your's,in "getting" to don your mask and "flaunting" your vaccination,so you can go to the store...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?







Now if only in "fairness" to your VERY Tender Feelings,I bought my first B-78 in '89 (piece of schit 6mm). 1-10" continues to be a bitter pill. Hint.

Bless your heart for Whining,Crying and Trying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Bacon throat,It is funny seeing the meltdown of the paper punchin bitches whining about leupold every chance they get. That pretty little gold ring has never cost me a critter, and I’ve done a fair amount more killin than most. Bend your flatbill and hunt you lazy bitch. 👍🖕🏿😂

Oh, a 10” 6 will be just right. Now tuck your boo boo lip in, pack your bags and c-pap machine for man camp sweetheart.

Jesus brother lol.. Don't get pork chops to horned up he'll take his pants off or some stupid chit like that.... raffin!

Crying Karen(s),

What were the "odds" that neither of you can afford a camera or even punctuate for yourself...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?






Ain't it a curious constant,besides being Emotionally in synch,your Retardation is too? Must be VERY "rewarding" for you Pavement Pounding Pecker Pole Princesses to rally at the Meat Department,at your local grocer?!? Hint.

Bless your hearts for Tryining,Whining and Crying,if only in unison(that means together).

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Another picture of stinky's f u c k e d up rusty trash pile. Might have been good stuff before she gets her vagina splitting fat fingers on it.

Cuz "drive thru" bear's on a beach are so difficult..... good lord

Standing on a rock "snagging" fish all day and "soaking rifles" must take incredible endurance... raffin

Bacon throat, we’re talking scopes, stay on task bitch lips!! 😂😂

Don't forget, 5 years ago Larry was blowing Leupold, kimber, and Pacnor like freddy mercury at a bath house....

Haha #truth

He spoke in English long ago too.

I enjoy the fact Ol jimmy dean neck stalks me, new exactly what my B78 was without tellin her. Ahhhh the sweet satisfactions of redassing a suckass fanboy… ride that pine and bang those Pom poms LarryO!!! Haha

Crying Karen(s),

You Woke gals sure are a "rugged" lot,perhaps make a "stand" and "pledge" Imaginary Pretend Ignore...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?







Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your hearts for Trying,Whining and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Bacon throat!!! Such dainty little pecker tongs you got there!!! Can you hold my pecker while I piss, I’ll snap a pic, that [bleep] will look like a hawg with those dainty little fingers!!! Haha 😂😂😂

Geeezzz no wonder his wife left him the little prick Laffin

Haha

Crying Karen,

I'm VERY "surprised" that your Imagination and Pretend so vividly fulfills your Homoerotic Fantasies...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Not even someone as great as I,can run a Rifle with two hands and a camera with a third,if only to your chagrin and countless very WELL founded Insecurities. Hint.





Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

Bacon throat!! Just why are you posting rusted snout pics in a thread you’ve been bitchin about scopes in?? Haha

Diggin the shiny little dainty pecker tongs!! Haha

Ah, ain't that cute, stinky keep all my letters to him. I feel so blessed.

Bacon throat!!! Have you met this guy? Your brother, Ron Micklecky? Haha 😂😂

You're actually proud of f u c k I n g up these rifles. And you still can't outshoot anybody.

Crying Karen,

The pictured glass,is simply without peer,as you frantically attempt to bring your Homoerotic Fantasies to fruition...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?







Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.



Bless your hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

I thought his old lady split cuz he was a douche bag. I had no idea it was because of the size of his pecker tongs! raffin lol dink deer must be extremely exhausting from log landings....

Pecker tongs

LMAO

Crying Karen,

I rather enjoy you Woke Women giving The Outdoors a whirl,with your Imaginations and Pretend...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Few things as "compelling" as Pecker Pole Princess Testimony,in that endearing High Pitched Nasal Whine. Hint.




Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Has the Bologna virus not put a dent in red, blue, yella, and green electrical tape stock?

6mm Remingdoosh and BoobBrown would pay to hold it for you.

Crying Karen(s),

You Melting Woke Snowflakes are a "rugged" lot...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?








Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

now he's just blowing the rest of the roughnecks in the bunkhouse....like Freddy Mercury. someday he might get the beer muscles to run his mouth to the wrong rig hand and find his ass down the rathole

Hey Poseur Larry, if you're such a twirp that you need to hacksaw all your rifles, just buy a youth model to begin with. Hint!

Crying Karen(s),

I reckon it is more than a touch disconcerting for you Window Licking Woke Ladies,to always be on the outside looking in...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?










Not that I don't enjoy the Oblivious Hilarity of your Drooling Dumbfhuqk Delusional Pretendathon. Hint.

Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

I believe that he's trying to say that he can hacksaw the end of a barrel and ream the resulting end out by hand with a case chamfer tool and create a crown that is more square than the factory crown created by the barrel manufacturer in a machine shop.

Now I am fhuqking laffin, for real.....

Crying Karen,

I'm rather at ease in fueling your countless,though very WELL founded Insecurities,as you Hissy Fit and Meltdown repeatedly...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?







As an aside,just how loud are the voices in your head,which fuel your Delusional Drooling Dumbfhuqktitude? Equal to your Whine,or greater than? How many times a day do you think about me,on the average? Hint.

Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery.. Hint. LAUGHING!

Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Funny how someone posts pics of an abused rusty rifle like it's an accomplishment. Here's a hint...oil your guns, and not with bullschit Breakfree...

Bacon throat!!! These are the tutorials that folks learn from!!! Haha

Start your YouTube channel now, “bacon throat and his japped up gunsmith skeelz”, now you can have a rusted pile of shiit too!!! Haha

Poseur Larry should teach gunsmithing at local community college. 🤣

Crying Karen(s),

I am VERY "surprised" that "weather",is but one of your countless Excuses to keep your trembling lips and quivering fingers Indoors...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?









Perhaps if one day you do roll the dice and actually go Outdoors,you'll start a Thread,if only for the subsequent Oblivious Humor. Perhaps you Woke Melting Snowflakes could combine "resources" and make a down payment on a camera that all of you gals could share? Hint. LAUGHING!

Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery either,as you feverishly read my EVERY word and gawk every Splendid Pixel. Hint. LAUGHING!

Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Hog necks guide to to being a cull.

LarryO no trembling lips other than yours looking like a swelled up telli tubby.. you forked horn killin sumbitch you!! Haha

Never seen one to take such pride in such rusted out junk. It's a bit like bragging about a dilapidated single-wide with a junkyard of a front yard. Congratulations?

Crying Karen(s),

At least you can "afford" to think about me incessantly(that means more than a bunch) and see what The Outdoors looks like,if only in pictures...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Here's to how very WELL founded your countless Insecurities are. Hint. LAUGHING!






Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery either,as you feverishly read my EVERY word and gawk every Splendid Pixel. Hint. LAUGHING!

Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Little Liar, the only time anyone thinks of you is when we have to get past your posts to read or see anything of value. Outside of that, you're a rock star in your own mind. Congratulations?

Jimmy dean neck, you are a hard charger!!! Only the “go getters” can lay rifles in water, not clean them, then wonder why they gotta work on em all the time!!! Haha 😂😂

Just brilliant!! Haha

I can not comprehend anybody being so simple-minded as to ruin perfectly good firearms just to garner some sort of attention when all that is resulting is a pitiful mutt.

His "look at me, look at me" dialog is more than a little worn.

Poor pitiful little specimen of a loser.

Attention starved lives matter you insensitive prick.

Catching a fish in Alaska is like hitting a liberal in California with a rock with a blindfold on. Congratulations?

I'm so ashamed.

But you have to post five pictures of the same fish while soaking your rifle in the river.

Apparently hitting animals with a bullet is much more difficult.

Bacon throat!!! Your twin??? Haha

Stick's a sorry sack of chit...

Crying Karen(s),

No wonder you poor poor(literally) gals,MUST "live" vicariously...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?

You Woke Snowflakes,are assuredly a "rugged" lot,chock plum full of Summer's Eve! Hint.





Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery either,as you feverishly read my EVERY word and gawk every Splendid Pixel. Simply steal what you NEED most. Hint. LAUGHING!

Them that can't even "afford" a camera,undoubtedly GOTTA resort to Stealing Pixels. Especially when so very consumed with thinking about me 24/7 and being powerless in the refrain. HINT.

Admittedly a fair day. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!





Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Your combined "shooting" for the year,wouldn't fill the bottom of a Tea Spoon with spent brass. No wonder you can't tell one fish from another,given your version(s) of "means","abilities" and "experience".Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

The less you "know","do" and "see",the "better" Reupold is. Undoubtedly,you Whining CLUELESS Kchunts,are "responsible" for a "bunch" of scope "Sales".

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

You know Little Liar, in order for insults to hurt or even be funny, they have to hit at least somewhat close to home. Hint.

Bacon throat!!! LarryO!! Just a little hint, only a stupider than fuuck chowderhead does the [bleep] you do. Haha

It’s not like your a hard core Alaskan sheep/goat hunter actually using gear. You’re just a washed up Turkey necked fuuck doing stupid shiit for the “wow” factor, that might impress the do nothing flat lander prs crew, for guys that actually “do”, you’re just a lazy careless dumbfuuck. Hint…

Laughing………

I'm new here, but gotta say, that -was- kinda funny. Made me chuckle.

I also like his rifles that obviously have all that orange cerakote applied to look like rust. Could start a trend.

We can't use a fat man Stick.....

To get us back on topic.......

I have always used Leupold scopes and have never had a problem with any of them. To be fair, I am not somebody who turns turrets either. Are they the best scope on the market? nope. Are they the worst scope on the market? nope.

Do I shoot heavy recoiling magnums? nope. Do I abuse my rifles? nope. Do I hunt with my rifles a lot? YEP.

I think with scopes it comes down to how much do you want to pay. If you want a great scope in the $250-$600 range then leupold is a fine choice. I have never owned any Leupolds in the $1000 range so maybe my opinion is irrelevant.

The show is usually a lot of fun to watch if you sit back and enjoy it.

Hint. Notice the golden rings and weep that your wares aren't adorned by such fine glass you clueless gunts.

Show? I resent that. This is serious business.

Oh boy! lol Congrats burnt bacon chrome! Man that musta been a rough trip to the old snaggin hole.

It is seriously funny.

Paul, you’re living dangerously!! Even see some talleys in the mix!! Double dangerous!!! Haha

IKR. Talley's hugging a Leupold is certainly a failure that has not yet fully manifested itself.

right! whats so interesting, challenging about snagging ahlf dead fish?

Bacon throat!!!! I noticed something interesting in that photo, your Turkey gobbler is sagging to the right, or rather your left. Is that normal??



Haha 😂😂

I see stinky has her initials on her ax.LP Little P R I C K. And I know that that is a hatchet to us normal-sized people but to stinky, it would be a full-sized AX

Only things missing from his pics are weight bench in front yard, a 84 Camaro on blocks, and a washing machine on the porch

I've hugged some Leupolds with Talleys, too.

The boat boneyard took all that space!! Haha

That's a nice looking gun, but shouldn't there be a shoe or some other form of irrelevance in the photo? You have a lot to learn here bud.

Of course, you're right. Since the potato appears to be taken, future photos may include a radish.

Edit:

I couldn't find a radish.

Don't forget the three chained up pit bulls living in old refrigerators lying on their sides.

Right about now is when Larry aka stick has had enough and crawls back into his hole for a few weeks before returning...Laffin

Nice rifles PaulBarnard and 10Glocks.
Nice to see a rifle that's not rusted out and looks like a rat rod at a local cruise night with a Maaco paint job and multi colored electrical tape holding the scope together.

Look Ma, no creek!

hahaha!

Nice, Grizz.

I likes my Sako's and Dakota's...

Very nice hardware indeed.

Hell ya. 👍

Nice wares GRIZZ.

Thanks! A little gun porn is always in order... As long as it doesn't involve a hacksaw and a stream.

Crying Karen(s),

Always entertainger than fhuqk,to be bestowed a Group Hissy Fit...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Gunning comeups today,on a new Lot. Google as you MUST. Hint.



Fortunately for you Melting Maidens,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Your combined "shooting" for the year,wouldn't fill the bottom of a Tea Spoon with spent brass. No wonder you can't tell one fish from another,given your version(s) of "means","abilities" and "experience".Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts for Trying,Whining,Melting and Crying.

The less you "know","do" and "see",the "better" Reupold is. Undoubtedly,you Whining CLUELESS Kchunts,are "responsible" for a "bunch" of scope "Sales".

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

Kchunts?

Bacon throat!!! Dance little bitch!! Dance!! Haha

Your killin me Stick. LOL

Hog neck!!! You’re gunnin come ups today, come ups your gullet you washed up cull!! Haha 😂😂