24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Stock repair experts #16264530 07/19/21
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,436
1
10gaugemag Online Content OP
Campfire Outfitter
OP Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
1
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,436
Anyone on here into stock repair?

The wood stock on my Sako 75 cracked from back by the tang and wraps around the pistol grip area. Once around the grip it goes forwards towards the trigger.

I ordered a new stock from Beretta but the wood they sent me looks like it belongs on an 870 Express model.

The cracked stock has quite a bit of figure and I would prefer to use it if I can.

I am wondering if my cracked stock is repairable so I can stick it back on the rifle.

This is the only picture I currently have on my communicator but can get more if needed to make somewhat of a determination as to whether it is even worth looking into any further.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]spacebar and backspace not working


The horned toad says we should go to Mexico!
BP-B2

Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16264533 07/19/21
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,436
1
10gaugemag Online Content OP
Campfire Outfitter
OP Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
1
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 8,436
In the above pic I have pressure on the stock to open up the crack.


The horned toad says we should go to Mexico!
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16264612 07/19/21
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,232
eaglemountainman Offline
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,232

Yes, it's definitely repairable. Depending on your skill sets, you can make it at least serviceable again, and maybe, unnoticeable. If you don't mind spending some money, their are guys that can take stocks shattered into multiple pieces and make strong repairs, where the seams virtually vanish.


My heart's in the mountains, my heart is not here.
My heart's in the mountains, chasing the deer.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16265204 07/19/21
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Sitka deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Not a terribly difficult repair. Quickest serviceable route would be grinding out the wood to leave a shell of about 1/8" of wood on both sides of the crack. Use very slow-curing epoxy in two batches laid in at the same time.

First batch should be plain epoxy from the inside with the stock quite warm. The heat will thin the epoxy and it will wick into the wood.

Second layer should have lots of chopped fibers for strength.

Do NOT use clamps or you will break wood. Wrap in plastic wrap and painter's tape. It should take very light pressure to hold it.

After the epoxy fully cures it will need to be bedded.


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16265230 07/19/21
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,683
Sheister Offline
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,683
That would actually be a fairly simple repair.... epoxy would work but I would just work some Titebond II down into the crack all the way with a flux brush, Q tip, or chip brush and clamp it up good until it sets up. Clean up the squeeze out with a damp cloth while it is still wet and don't put the clamps on so tight that they squeeze out all the glue....

Once cured, you can put some reinforcement in the stock if you like but taking the action out of the stock and drill a hole from the trigger recess back toward the pistol grip and gluing a steel rod, carbon fiber tent rod, or wood dowel into the hole and cut off flush with the wood surface under the action. Epoxy would work best for this ....

Bob


Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
IC-A

Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16278584 07/24/21
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 25,845
las Online Content
Campfire Oracle
Online Content
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 25,845
Hey Art, et al.......How do you suppose that penetrating "Git-Rot" epoxy would work on this type thing. Often wondered.....


The only true cost of having a dog is its death.
"It would have been a good distance shot if they hadn't been so far away". Seth Kantner in "Shopping for Porcupine"
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16278861 07/24/21
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,683
Sheister Offline
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,683
Well, I'm not Art, but I did go fishing with him once..... It would work just fine, but really unnecessary in this instance. You don't really need a penetrating epoxy as much as you simply need to mate the two surfaces together as strongly as possible. A decent epoxy or simple carpenters aliphatic glue like Titebond II will work fine for this purpose if applied correctly...

Bob

Last edited by Sheister; 07/24/21.

Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: Sheister] #16278890 07/24/21
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,743
pal Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,743
Originally Posted by Sheister
...You don't really need a penetrating epoxy...A decent epoxy or simple carpenters aliphatic glue like Titebond II will work fine for this purpose if applied correctly...

Bob


Bad advice.

Use WEST epoxy for best results.


"There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon

"...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: Stock repair experts [Re: pal] #16282359 07/25/21
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,683
Sheister Offline
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,683
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Sheister
...You don't really need a penetrating epoxy...A decent epoxy or simple carpenters aliphatic glue like Titebond II will work fine for this purpose if applied correctly...

Bob


Bad advice.

Use WEST epoxy for best results.


First off, there are lots of epoxies equal to West Systems for this application. Secondly, Titebond II is waterproof once dried and sealing the stock with finish is extra insurance. Aliphatic glues are as strong as the initial wood or stronger once applied correctly and cured. I've used them several times for this type of repair and they have been excellent in every respect as compared to West Sytems epoxy, which I also use often in these situations...


Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16283229 07/25/21
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,535
C
Craigster Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
C
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,535
I use Titebond rather than epoxy, have never been disappointed.

IC-B

Re: Stock repair experts [Re: Craigster] #16286636 07/26/21
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Sitka deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Originally Posted by Craigster
I use Titebond rather than epoxy, have never been disappointed.

Strong arguments available for both sides.


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: Sheister] #16286637 07/26/21
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Sitka deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Originally Posted by Sheister
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Sheister
...You don't really need a penetrating epoxy...A decent epoxy or simple carpenters aliphatic glue like Titebond II will work fine for this purpose if applied correctly...

Bob


Bad advice.

Use WEST epoxy for best results.


First off, there are lots of epoxies equal to West Systems for this application. Secondly, Titebond II is waterproof once dried and sealing the stock with finish is extra insurance. Aliphatic glues are as strong as the initial wood or stronger once applied correctly and cured. I've used them several times for this type of repair and they have been excellent in every respect as compared to West Sytems epoxy, which I also use often in these situations...

More specifically, West makes a TON of different formulas and catalysts. Some would be terrible choices, some fantastic. You must go deeper than brand.


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: las] #16286640 07/26/21
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Sitka deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Originally Posted by las
Hey Art, et al.......How do you suppose that penetrating "Git-Rot" epoxy would work on this type thing. Often wondered.....

It would work okay mostly but those recipes include some fairly nasty "kill-em-all" stuff that would not be needed... or why?


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16286641 07/26/21
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
Sitka deer Offline
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 46,518
I have used a lot of epoxy and have a few tricks in working with it. Epoxy is my hammer... everything else looks like a nail.


Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16286662 07/27/21
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 25,845
las Online Content
Campfire Oracle
Online Content
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 25,845
My only experience with this is when I moved back to Alaska in 80. Airline broke my stock at the wrist, much as in op pic.

Repaired it with accuglass, re-sighted it in with maybe a half dozen rounds, shot a moose with it at about 100 yards.

The mid-body back of shoulder hold busted his backbone, instead. When he front reared up at approach from several yards out (an interesting experience !!!). the finishing shot broke the wrist completely. Nothing like standing there with a 2-piece rifle! The epoxy held just fine - it was the wood just beyond that did not

Hence the superior penetration as SD recommends.

At a minimum.

Personally I would not trust even that with an important hunt without a backup rifle, based solely on my experience.

Not to paranoid you or anything. 😜

Last edited by las; 07/27/21.

The only true cost of having a dog is its death.
"It would have been a good distance shot if they hadn't been so far away". Seth Kantner in "Shopping for Porcupine"
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16293806 07/29/21
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 649
1
1beaver_shooter Online Content
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
1
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 649
You can glue that split with any number of wood glues or epoxies But it will always be a weak spot and subject to split again. I would call it firewood and get a new stock


there is no man more free than he who has nothing left to lose --unknown--
" If it bleeds we can kill it" Conan The Barbarian
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 1beaver_shooter] #16295865 07/30/21
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 25,845
las Online Content
Campfire Oracle
Online Content
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 25,845
c
Originally Posted by 1beaver_shooter
You can glue that split with any number of wood glues or epoxies But it will always be a weak spot and subject to split again. I would call it firewood and get a new stock



Yeah - I'm verbose,..... .. smile


The only true cost of having a dog is its death.
"It would have been a good distance shot if they hadn't been so far away". Seth Kantner in "Shopping for Porcupine"
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16296338 07/30/21
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 18,996
gnoahhh Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 18,996
All depends on a lot of factors whether it'll break again - what caused the break in the first place (freak accident not likely to reoccur, weird grain flow in that spot, carelessness,etc.?), and how well the break is attended to that'll determine re-breakage. Pretty much any glue will create a bond stronger than the surrounding wood and create an artifact as strong as it was originally, but if the grain is squirrely or the owner is a clutz and likely to repeat the mistake that caused the break, then all bets are off.

Whataya got to lose by trying to repair it?

I'll chime in as a proponent of epoxy over Titebond, for no better reason than I like it. Heck, hide glue would probably suffice - but as with all glue joints what matters most is cleanliness of the wood, (tight) fit of the pieces to each other, and clamping protocols.


"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz
"Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: 10gaugemag] #16296373 07/30/21
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 3,643
F
flintlocke Offline
Campfire Guide
Offline
Campfire Guide
F
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 3,643
Horse and mule wrecks being common around here, I've seen a lot of broken wrists (I'm not a wood guy, and pass them on to cabinet makers etc.) and I've seen some truly great repairs. Most times, it appears the best repairs involve some angle drilling down thru the wrist with small hardwood dowels. I don't know what adhesives they use on assembly, but it must be very thin since it's very difficult to detect the original break line.


Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
Re: Stock repair experts [Re: las] #16300345 07/31/21
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,089
D
dale06 Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
D
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,089
Originally Posted by las
c
Originally Posted by 1beaver_shooter
You can glue that split with any number of wood glues or epoxies But it will always be a weak spot and subject to split again. I would call it firewood and get a new stock



Yeah - I'm verbose,..... .. smile


I’m not an expert, but I’d never be comfortable with that stock glued.


NRA Patron
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin, SYSOP 

RR1
Who's Online Now
868 registered members (10gaugemag, 06hunter59, 10ring1, 1100mag, 117LBS, 007FJ, 93 invisible), 3,181 guests, and 890 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RR2/3










Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2022 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 7.3.30 Page Time: 0.074s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8937 MB (Peak: 1.0585 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2021-09-28 01:32:04 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS