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Sure, it's your choice to not get vaccinated, but the consequences are yours too, all choices have consequences good or bad, you could unknowingly give it to someone else and kill them. I'm vaccinated, it was an easy choice for me, but my 81 year old, recently widowed, mother is not and I check on her and help her out every other day or so. I could be asymptomatic and pass it to her. It's a personal choice but it affects you and everyone you come in contact with. Mom made her choice? That's up to her. This is exactly what I am getting at, everyone has had a chance.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Sure, it's your choice to not get vaccinated, but the consequences are yours too, all choices have consequences good or bad, you could unknowingly give it to someone else and kill them. I'm vaccinated, it was an easy choice for me, but my 81 year old, recently widowed, mother is not and I check on her and help her out every other day or so. I could be asymptomatic and pass it to her. It's a personal choice but it affects you and everyone you come in contact with. I personally know 2 people's a husband and wife that were fully vaccinated and both have Covid-19
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Sure, it's your choice to not get vaccinated, but the consequences are yours too, all choices have consequences good or bad, you could unknowingly give it to someone else and kill them. I'm vaccinated, it was an easy choice for me, but my 81 year old, recently widowed, mother is not and I check on her and help her out every other day or so. I could be asymptomatic and pass it to her. It's a personal choice but it affects you and everyone you come in contact with. Mom made her choice? That's up to her. This is exactly what I am getting at, everyone has had a chance. I'll add: If the vaxx doesn't stop someone from being a 'carrier' then what stops 'mom' from possibly catching when son stops to help her?
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And you're expecting an honest answer here ?????????????? Honest? Or do you mean authoritative? Or true?
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And you're expecting an honest answer here ?????????????? Honest? Or do you mean authoritative? Or true? ^^ Sums it up nicely. How many links of varying opinions have been posted here?
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
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I’ve tried to work this out in my mind over and over and given so many of the recent news items with people vaccinated getting/spreading the disease.
The only conclusion I can come to is that this push has more to do with somehow condition citizens to be more like subjects. Using social pressure (vs governmental) they’ll encourage those who are vaccinated to marginalize those who aren’t. Through fears of litigiousness big corps will block services and/or perhaps even employment. Big tech will suppress opposing viewpoints so as to create the illusion that there isn’t information that challenges establishment narratives.
As you can see from responses here, even questioning the incongruences in the popular narrative will elicit accusations that you’re killing people or anti-science. Proof that the above-described efforts are yielding fruit not just amongst the mindless sheeple who unquestioningly consume and regurgitate Corp Media talking points.
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NYC just announced mandatory vax for employees or else. Newsom just announced all .gov employees vax or else. Things are escalating.
I know, thousandth thread on the subject but I can not wrap my head around the lack of some peoples ability to see the simplicity in this.
If the vax works, great, you live. I die. If the vax works, great, you live. Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle, Neighbor Bob dies, that's their choice.
Whats the problem?
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NYC just announced mandatory vax for employees or else. Newsom just announced all .gov employees vax or else. Things are escalating.
I know, thousandth thread on the subject but I can not wrap my head around the lack of some peoples ability to see the simplicity in this.
If the vax works, great, you live. I die. If the vax works, great, you live. Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle, Neighbor Bob dies, that's their choice.
Whats the problem? Now Now....its time to move on.
I am MAGA.
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"So what if the health care system gets swamped and everyone dies. You won't." Think about it, what if you or a family member has a heart attack, stroke, or are in a bad accident and need to be admitted to an ICU that is overflowing with covid patients. Still don't think you will be affected? LOL How many people live in your county? Six?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Mandatory Vaxx
Mandatory Mask
Take your 'mandatory' and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Talked to a really nice guy the other day, about 40 years old, known him all my life. He's a salesman and says people are starting to get mad at him when they find out he's not taken the jab. Mad that he's exercising his freedom of choice and they don't like his choices. He's basically always got a smile on his face, but he looked rather angry when he told me that he wished people would just shut up and quit asking everybody else if they got the shot. It's getting to be a polarizing thing.
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"So what if the health care system gets swamped and everyone dies. You won't." Think about it, what if you or a family member has a heart attack, stroke, or are in a bad accident and need to be admitted to an ICU that is overflowing with covid patients. Still don't think you will be affected? The "what if fear factor" argument. What if a meteorite falls on your house? Jeez Louise
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Talked to a really nice guy the other day, about 40 years old, known him all my life. He's a salesman and says people are starting to get mad at him when they find out he's not taken the jab. Mad that he's exercising his freedom of choice and they don't like his choices. He's basically always got a smile on his face, but he looked rather angry when he told me that he wished people would just shut up and quit asking everybody else if they got the shot. It's getting to be a polarizing thing. He shouldn't answer that question if asked
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Talked to a really nice guy the other day, about 40 years old, known him all my life. He's a salesman and says people are starting to get mad at him when they find out he's not taken the jab. Mad that he's exercising his freedom of choice and they don't like his choices. He's basically always got a smile on his face, but he looked rather angry when he told me that he wished people would just shut up and quit asking everybody else if they got the shot. It's getting to be a polarizing thing. He shouldn't answer that question if asked Probably true. Like talking with the public about religion or politics.
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I’ve tried to work this out in my mind over and over and given so many of the recent news items with people vaccinated getting/spreading the disease.
The only conclusion I can come to is that this push has more to do with somehow condition citizens to be more like subjects. Using social pressure (vs governmental) they’ll encourage those who are vaccinated to marginalize those who aren’t. Through fears of litigiousness big corps will block services and/or perhaps even employment. Big tech will suppress opposing viewpoints so as to create the illusion that there isn’t information that challenges establishment narratives.
As you can see from responses here, even questioning the incongruences in the popular narrative will elicit accusations that you’re killing people or anti-science. Proof that the above-described efforts are yielding fruit not just amongst the mindless sheeple who unquestioningly consume and regurgitate Corp Media talking points. Well said.
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The vax has been widely available now. If you wanted it you got it. If you didn't, you didn't.
So, you got it because you believe it will protect you from dying, correct?
My question is, if someone does not want it, even with all of the variants, why do you care? Why does .gov care? So what if the health care system gets swamped and everyone dies. You won't. Eventually there will be only like minded vaccinated individuals left. Correct? And, if an unvaccinated person spreads it they are only going to harm others that are unvaccinated. Correct?
What am I missing?
And this is an honest question. Economics. Business revenue is down, corporate and employee tax collections will be down so, they want to restore confidence to a situation they let get out of hand by pushing the fear of death on everyone. Per Forbes: Study Finds Small Business Revenues Dropped 52% And Payrolls Declined 54% Due To COVID Pandemic https://www.forbes.com/sites/rohita...4-due-to-covid-pandemic/?sh=1649ea7f56db
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The vax has been widely available now. If you wanted it you got it. If you didn't, you didn't.
So, you got it because you believe it will protect you from dying, correct?
My question is, if someone does not want it, even with all of the variants, why do you care? Why does .gov care? So what if the health care system gets swamped and everyone dies. You won't. Eventually there will be only like minded vaccinated individuals left. Correct? And, if an unvaccinated person spreads it they are only going to harm others that are unvaccinated. Correct?
What am I missing?
And this is an honest question. It's for the children, under 12 aren't eligible for the vaccines.
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The vax has been widely available now. If you wanted it you got it. If you didn't, you didn't.
So, you got it because you believe it will protect you from dying, correct?
My question is, if someone does not want it, even with all of the variants, why do you care? Why does .gov care? So what if the health care system gets swamped and everyone dies. You won't. Eventually there will be only like minded vaccinated individuals left. Correct? And, if an unvaccinated person spreads it they are only going to harm others that are unvaccinated. Correct?
What am I missing?
And this is an honest question. It is sad, but there are people and groups both in USA and outside that have vested interest in Americans not doing well. There are plenty who follow them blindly.
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On both sides of the vax coin or one side in particular? I don't follow.
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