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USA TODAY: Vaccine May Spread the Virus #16290427 07/28/21
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https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...uggesting-covid-vaccine-may-spread-virus

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“NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.


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CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the U.S., behaves ‘uniquely differently’ from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious,” the article notes. “Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendation.”

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Re: USA TODAY: Vaccine May Spread the Virus [Re: JoeBob] #16290444 07/28/21
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Full throttle downhill ,,,full stop. Ruh roh.

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This correlates with what we know from India as well. Cases exploded in certain Indian states when they went away from treatment with HCQ and Ivermectin and tried to vax their way out of the problem.

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I'm sure we'll be told that the answer is more vax.


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Re: USA TODAY: Vaccine May Spread the Virus [Re: JoeBob] #16290458 07/28/21
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Originally Posted by JoeBob
This correlates with what we know from India as well. Cases exploded in certain Indian states when they went away from treatment with HCQ and Ivermectin and tried to vax their way out of the problem.

Yep.


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Originally Posted by SockPuppet
I'm sure we'll be told that the answer is more vax.


90% of the new cases here is SE GA at the Navy base are unvaccinenated individuals...


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by SockPuppet
I'm sure we'll be told that the answer is more vax.


90% of the new cases here is SE GA at the Navy base are unvaccinenated individuals...


That %age is even higher in the Baton Rouge hospitals.


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According to CDC guidance vaccinated individuals who test positive are not even reported as cases unless they are sick enough to be hospitalized.

This widespread use of leaky vaccines in the midst of a pandemic will eventually lead to vaccine resistant incurable and increasingly harmful strains of this virus developing. Everyone who has the vaccine is a walking Petri dish where the virus is allowed to mutate without immune response pressures.

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Originally Posted by SockPuppet
I'm sure we'll be told that the answer is more vax.



And masks, don't forget the masks!

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All the time, effort, and money put into creating all the vaccines, would have been better focused on treatments.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
All the time, effort, and money put into creating all the vaccines, would have been better focused on treatments.



Of which already existed.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
All the time, effort, and money put into creating all the vaccines, would have been better focused on treatments.

Of course. Instead, they blocked the known effective treatments.


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We already know how mass vaccination of a leaky vaccine works.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease


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Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low. Decades after the first vaccine was introduced, current strains of Marek virus cause lymphoma formation on throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a leaky vaccine, which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented.[12] Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented. Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains.[13] The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine.






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Tried to share it. File not found. They already shut down the truth

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Tis mosquito season......



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If a bad actor were so inclined the middle of a pandemic would be a very good time to engineer a new variant and release it into the wild with perfect cover. Just pure speculation on my part.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
We already know how mass vaccination of a leaky vaccine works.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease


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Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low. Decades after the first vaccine was introduced, current strains of Marek virus cause lymphoma formation on throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a leaky vaccine, which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented.[12] Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented. Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains.[13] The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine.


Anyone know what the breakthrough data is for the vaccines. Unfortunately I don't think the gov wants to let us know.

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Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by ironbender
All the time, effort, and money put into creating all the vaccines, would have been better focused on treatments.



Of which already existed.


And they don't want you to know that.it"s all about a safe and effective vaccine,as of now is for emergency use only.Don't forget the Government really cares about our health smile

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