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Scrapers will steel anything
What is the Recycle Value of those Rutter's
They could have tookem in the middle of the night when everyone was sleeping. Yeah! Whoever had mail buoy watch should have nailed em!!
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Or - given the op tempo most ships and shipping companies have been on the last 18 months - maintenance was deferred and it just broke.
Lots of old iron pressed into service to take advantage of shipping rates lately. 4 ships just broke at the same time in the same area? If this is true the 5th fleet is on scene now, not that we would know Not saying that's what DID happen - it is a possibility. 2000 companies operate ships in the area. If it was only 1 ship per company, .002% with a maintenance issue on any given day seems to be rather low actually.
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Funshooter are the Scrapers going to scrape the rudders off? Wouldn't that take a long time? Someone should hear that before dawn. Metal against metal? Be Well, and learn how to spell and English syntax so we can understand what you are trying to say. It could have been a slight chuckle. RZ.
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Israel PM Bennett: Israel Can ‘Act Alone’ Against Iran over Ship Attack
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something is about to happen!!! Yea Gas fixin to hit $5
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Israel can not act alone as one small bomb can destroy the entire country
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Would not an air drone, similar to ones used by out military to take out terrorist vehicles and "wedding parties, be capable of carrying a small torpedo instead of an air to ground missile?
Is it far fetched to think Iran or one of the other players over there has that type of system? Perhaps not as sophisticated as US models, but damage to a rudder could be performed? Yes, I strongly suspect large UAVs could utilize torpedoes, like submarine hunter helicopters and planes can. However, I'm not sure how feasible targeting the rudder or propulsion of an oil tanker would be with a torpedo from a drone, and I don't think torpedoes are the first choice of weapon against oil tankers, at least ones full of oil. An "empty" tanker (i.e., full of volatile vapors instead of liquid) would be vulnerable to a torpedo, though.
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Would not an air drone, similar to ones used by out military to take out terrorist vehicles and "wedding parties, be capable of carrying a small torpedo instead of an air to ground missile?
Is it far fetched to think Iran or one of the other players over there has that type of system? Perhaps not as sophisticated as US models, but damage to a rudder could be performed? Yes, I strongly suspect large UAVs could utilize torpedoes, like submarine hunter helicopters and planes can. However, I'm not sure how feasible targeting the rudder or propulsion of an oil tanker would be with a torpedo from a drone, and I don't think torpedoes are the first choice of weapon against oil tankers, at least ones full of oil. An "empty" tanker (i.e., full of volatile vapors instead of liquid) would be vulnerable to a torpedo, though. There are underwater drones as well and magnetic mines are hardly new
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Israel can not act alone as one small bomb can destroy the entire country Israel is small, but it isn't that small. However, a single high yield device dropped on Tel Aviv would be devastating, just like that happening to any other nation's capital would be.
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Israel can not act alone as one small bomb can destroy the entire country Israel is small, but it isn't that small. However, a single high yield device dropped on Tel Aviv would be devastating, just like that happening to any other nation's capital would be. No need to drop the bomb as it can be driven to the border and still be devastating
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Yes, but wouldn't a mine be even less likely to damage steering or propulsion than an aimed torpedo? The front of a full oil tanker isn't nearly as vulnerable to an underwater explosion from a torpedo or mine as most ships are.
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Wonder if they're missing Trump yet?
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something is about to happen!!! Yea Gas fixin to hit $5 Premium was $4.37 here last night
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Yes, but wouldn't a mine be even less likely to damage steering or propulsion than an aimed torpedo? The front of a full oil tanker isn't nearly as vulnerable to an underwater explosion from a torpedo or mine as most ships are. You can deposit a magnetic mine by drone with greater ease than deploying them in the historical fashion
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Israel can not act alone as one small bomb can destroy the entire country This doesn't make any sense. If Israel did not act alone a nuke could still be devastating. Okay. They and everyone else knows they are small geographically and vulnerable for that reason. They are vulnerable all the time. That is their life. Israel has multiple nuclear devices along with the ability to deliver them to their enemies in the middle east. Everyone in the middle east plays the same game constantly. Tit for tat gambling a major escalation will never occur.
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Would not an air drone, similar to ones used by out military to take out terrorist vehicles and "wedding parties, be capable of carrying a small torpedo instead of an air to ground missile?
Is it far fetched to think Iran or one of the other players over there has that type of system? Perhaps not as sophisticated as US models, but damage to a rudder could be performed? Yes, I strongly suspect large UAVs could utilize torpedoes, like submarine hunter helicopters and planes can. However, I'm not sure how feasible targeting the rudder or propulsion of an oil tanker would be with a torpedo from a drone, and I don't think torpedoes are the first choice of weapon against oil tankers, at least ones full of oil. An "empty" tanker (i.e., full of volatile vapors instead of liquid) would be vulnerable to a torpedo, though. There are underwater drones as well and magnetic mines are hardly new It would appear, if the OP contains facts, that if the 4 ships are not under control, the object might not have been to destroy the ships. Targeting a rudder would seem to be a relatively easy thing to do. It's not like their location is hidden. If a air to surface missile can contain enough explosive material to destroy a vehicle, a relatively small "torpedo" could likely contain enough to damage a rudder.. All this is speculation of course, given we (I) don't know much other than that in the OP. If true, 4 ships no longer capable of controlled navigation would be an odd occurrence for sure. No matter what the method of disabling their controls.
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something is about to happen!!! Yea Gas fixin to hit $5 Premium was $4.37 here last night That's about the price of regular at the town stations. The Rez station is $0.40 cheaper or so.
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World wide oil market speculators having a field day with this.
Milking fear for all the can squeeze outta it.
Iran, Russia, and China making bank as the price goes up.
Everyone else cha ching also with their nice fat stock portfolio,s with the inside scoop beforehand......
Benjamins....
While we pay for it at the pump........
A sheik farting in East Timor makes the market go up.
All these events in the Gulf are a big event to drive up price.
Thanks EO Joey for killing off our North American Oil independence for all your buds you bend over too worldwide......
Coksukka,s.........
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Would not an air drone, similar to ones used by out military to take out terrorist vehicles and "wedding parties, be capable of carrying a small torpedo instead of an air to ground missile?
Is it far fetched to think Iran or one of the other players over there has that type of system? Perhaps not as sophisticated as US models, but damage to a rudder could be performed? Yes, I strongly suspect large UAVs could utilize torpedoes, like submarine hunter helicopters and planes can. However, I'm not sure how feasible targeting the rudder or propulsion of an oil tanker would be with a torpedo from a drone, and I don't think torpedoes are the first choice of weapon against oil tankers, at least ones full of oil. An "empty" tanker (i.e., full of volatile vapors instead of liquid) would be vulnerable to a torpedo, though. There are underwater drones as well and magnetic mines are hardly new It would appear, if the OP contains facts, that if the 4 ships are not under control, the object might not have been to destroy the ships. Targeting a rudder would seem to be a relatively easy thing to do. It's not like their location is hidden. If a air to surface missile can contain enough explosive material to destroy a vehicle, a relatively small "torpedo" could likely contain enough to damage a rudder.. All this is speculation of course, given we (I) don't know much other than that in the OP. If true, 4 ships no longer capable of controlled navigation would be an odd occurrence for sure. No matter what the method of disabling their controls. Under water drones..... Probably aint even gotta be explosive.. Mechanical something or other. Electronic something or other stays attached to the hull sends out overload of current or signal to steering gear controls just inside the hull by the rudder area??? After it has done its job. Simply falls off and goes to the bottom. Or goes back to base.... Probably Chinese schitt... Wouldnt put it past them... Wouldnt put anything past what the chinese can invent or steal for tech. Hell for all we know. The tech might have come from us by being stolen... All just speculation on my part....
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