Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Vaccine Is Looking More Like A Failure Than A Savior

FWIW, I hunted with Doc Rocket and jag. Both are first rate guys who I trust completely. As smart as Doc is, he can't possibly keep up with all the rapidly changing data.

While a drug trial is being conducted aren't the ongoing effects good or bad kept secret until the end of the drug trail? Just asking because if everybody knew what was going on during the drug trail it would skew the results.

You don't historically give hundreds of millions of people something that hasn't made it through trials, so what's "normal" obviously doesn't apply to the coronapocalypse.

VAERS had been in use for a long time.

I think Doc deserves the benefit of a doubt.... he is not one of our whackadoodle trolls

VAERS doesnt report on Lab Rat Testing- until now.

FDA studies arent scheduled to be over until spring 2023.

What do you want to bet the puppet masters dont kick the puppets ass and the FDA issuses an all clear before then.

And what will happen. Suckers will jump up and down with joy because of the great news, unable to add 2 and 2.

+1......

Last I looked, adverse event reports on VAERS for all the covid vaccines approached 500,000.

I coined the saying, "It takes intelligence to recognize intelligence." As the originator of that piece of advice, I can assure you that the flipside is also true.

Obviously.

"real doctor" are important words...
there are many licensed medical doctors (real doctors) who are prescriptive proceedure guys...
that is not necesarily a bad thing but they are not who you want for an off the wall problem...
just like with lawyers there are Ambulance chasers, Corporate lawyers, and brilliant trial lawyer (as part of the spectrum)
if a drug trial is to prove anything, then there must be a control group.
in the case of the vaccine, the control group is the unvaccinated.
once the control group numbers become statistically insignificant it becomes almost impossible to prove anything...
Think about that.

Oops. My bad. I know I'll never live THAT down on this board. That's what I get for throwing out a quick response just before bedtime when I'm tired. Oh well.

Those that want to gloat will rejoice.

As you say, association of death within 4 weeks of receiving a CoV2 vaccine is pretty sketchy... I have read reports that actual PROVEN deaths from the vaccines vary from 6 to 10. Also: if you do a cohort comparison between persons who received a vaccine and died and persons who didn't receive a vaccine and died, the numbers aren't that far apart. I'll see if I can dig those numbers out.

Nonetheless, the VAERS data, which can be useful in some applications, are being frequently misinterpreted in the present day.

Your assertion that any other vaccine would be pulled is hard to back up, I think. The Swine Flu vaccine was pulled with almost no actual data behind the action, because the whole mess was created by politicians and political-activist journalists (we used to call them "investigation journalists" back in the day). There really hasn't been anything like this in the vaccine regulatory world since polio, so it's hard to say what the government regulators would do under other circumstances.

Best image I could get, because this chart is being censored via normal sources. It shows the difference in daily new cases between Jewish Israelis and Palestinians. Palestinians are largely refusing the vaccine, while Jewish Israelis have a very high percentage of vaccinated. The upward trending line represents Jewish Israelis, and the downward trending line represents Palestinians.

Hopes are soaring that a Covid vaccine is within reach, following news that an interim analysis has shown Pfizer/BioNTech’s candidate to have 90% efficacy in protecting people from transmission of the virus in global trials.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/health/moderna-vaccine-barney-graham-gupta/index.html

A final analysis of the Phase 3 trial of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine shows it was 95% effective in preventing infections, even in older adults, and caused no serious safety concerns, the company said Wednesday.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/health/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-safety/index.html


I can pull up more if you'd like DOC, but your statement is BS. They did make those claims.

Well, I'll give ya that CNN has made a mistake or two in the past few years, but hey, if you think they're infallible, knock yourself out.

CNN made those claims, but the published trials from Pfizer clearly stated a 95% reduction in hospitalizations, not infections.

And happily kept their mouth shut as the effectiveness was falsely touted by every medical professional that could get on TV or radio.

Definitely claimed 94 to 95% effectiveness I read that multiple times

The Doc is referring to the actual reports, not media spun headlines.

I understand exactly what he is referring to. The point is they didn't try to publicly correct the information thus they seem complicit in the BS. In other words use fear and false claims to persuade people to get the vaccine

One should keep in mind mRNA-1273 co-developer and sponsor Moderna was not only responsible for the overall trial design, research site selection and monitoring, but also the data analysis. I always did better on tests that I graded myself.

Agreed