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Could we consider that to be disingenuous?

Big difference between an honest mistake and calculated lies..... knowing the MSM media, I would say calculated lies.
Yet we are to believe...... no wonder I trust my common sense more than the so called experts.... sad what they have done to the medical community

From the get go we were told on every media outlet that the Maderna and Phizer shot was 94-95% effective. JJ slightly less. People wonder why anyone with a brain doesn’t believe any of this BS.

Liberals and Covitards will believe anything…

Honest question DR. Do you consider the COVID shot(s) a vaccine? You keep calling it that.

If I were to confuse VAERS Covid19 Vaccine Deaths (~12,000, pre July19, or ~6,000 post July 19) with VAERS Covid19 Vaccine Adverse Events (~450,000) I would, upon self reflection, be forced to acknowledge it as evidence of an underlying bias.

Yes I understand that.

The point is that nobody in his profession was doing a GD thing to counter that narrative.

There was not one fugking person leaving those vaccine lines talking about “Oh now I can only get normal sick.”

That is bullschit. Everybody accepted to as a “cure.”

Calculated lies in conjunction with the pharmaceutical companies.

It is all bullschit.

You beat me to it.
The big point missed by so many.....but, you know, right?...just follow "the science"...or whatever you call it so long as it fits your narrative.

Yes, I understand, and again, mea culpa, sorry I made that mistake. I was tired, but the 24HCF is not a forgiving place, so I'll take my lumps.

I'd like to look at these numbers again, now that I'm fully awake and have had a couple cups of coffee.

First thing, directly cut and pasted from the CDC VAERS website:



I started out to do a long set of calculations to show how these numbers compare, but then realized it was a lot of work that isn't going to convince any of y'all who are doubters anyway. So I decided to simplify it. (And by the way, if you refuse to believe the numbers I'm giving you because you "don't trust the CDC", then you can't use the CDC's VAERS numbers without being dishonest. Just a comment a priori.)

The rationale for mass vaccinations is that the benefits will far outweigh the cost adverse events.

I'm not going to dispute your claim of "500,000" adverse events, since the overwhelming majority of adverse events are trivial, as the CDC has defined them (see above quote list).

I'm not going to dispute the claim of 6490 reported vaccine-associated deaths (VADs), because that's what the CDC has claimed, and neither you nor I have any better data than the CDC puts out, whether we like it or not.

What I will dispute is that the number of deaths actually provably caused by the vaccines is anything close to 6490. I've been following the medical news and peer-reviewed papers on this, and the number of deaths that are even possibly linked to a definite vaccine-related cause is tiny. Some sources cite as many as 60, others as few as 3. I think the true number is somewhere in the middle. But even if we were to say, for the sake of argument, that 10% of the VAERS-identified VAD's were caused by the vaccine, 649, we need to put that into the context of the number of deaths prevented by the vaccine. That's the only way to do the cost-benefit analysis.

To date there are 167 million persons fully vaccinated in the USA. There are approximately 370 million people in the USA. So our first comparison has to be looking at the (exaggerated) 650 VAD's to the total persons affected, as a percentage of the population. Which is 0.000176%. Then we have to compare that to the number of people who have died from CoV2 in that same time frame. In the year 2021, to this point in time, there have been 255,176 deaths due to CoV2 in the USA (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm), or 0.079%, and 53,393 deaths in the state of Texas, or 0.18% (Worldometer.com). ​

The expected reduction in hospitalizations as predicted by the vaccine trials done by Pfizer and Moderna (95%) reflects the reduction in number of deaths due to CoV2. The only jurisdiction I follow closely (Texas) has seen that more than 99% of CoV2 deaths since February of 2021 have been in nonvaccinated persons (this is data available on TX.gov). The vulnerability of non-vaccinated persons is certainly being borne out as I type this in hospitals all across south Texas as I can personally attest.

What this suggests very strongly is that, using the 95% predictive factor from Pfizer/Moderna, by fully vaccinating our population we could have seen a reduction in deaths of about 52,860 in Texas and 242,417 in the USA as a whole.

So let's compare the numbers:

650 deaths possibly due to the vaccine
242,000 deaths preventable by the vaccine

Fellas, this is the devil's deal we have accepted with every other vaccine ever released for mass use. We know there is going to be a cost, but the benefit outweighs that cost. It's also known in ethics as the Doctrine of Competing Harms.

Under the DCH, we as physicians are often required to do a smaller harm to a patient to avoid a greater harm. If I slice your belly open with a knife, I am unquestionably causing you harm. But if I don't slice you open and remove your rotting appendix, you will die in agony from peritonitis, which is a greater harm.

As public health authorities we make the same determination. We know that a certain number of persons in a population will be harmed by any vaccine, but we justify its use nonetheless because the greater harm to the population that would be caused by withholding it.

EDITED TO ADD:
Those of you who want to dispute the VAERS data as having been altered... you can do the same comparison with the old numbers, if you like:

12,000 deaths possibly due to some association with the vaccines
242,000 deaths probably prevented by the vaccines.

The benefits still outweigh the risks by a rate of 20:1.

For a guy who claims that this disease is a nothingburger, you sure seem to be angry about it. Or maybe it's just me.

Anyways... what medical school did you attend, again? I forget...

Seriously? "Honest question?"

Thanks for the perspicacity, Counselor.

Don't you have an ambulance to chase, or something?

I don’t believe Covid solely has killed a single person. Have a vast majority of Americans forgotten people of all demographics get sick and die ? How many respiratory related deaths did the USA have prior to Bolo 19? Remember , there has not been an increase (sizable) in overall deaths at all . This is a ruse and was solely unleashed to increase the number of mail in voting ballots. The cheaters needed this huge increase in mail in ballots to pull off the steal . Was anyone at Obammy’s party social distancing or was it required? Nope, because they all (politicians and elites) know about the steal . Wake up

Wake up

Wake up

You're calling them vaccines. Are they?

If you truly don't believe Covid has killed anyone, I guess you and I have little to talk about. I've been in the room at scores of Covid deaths. I guess you'll have to come up with an entirely new explanation for why those folks died, because I sure as Hell can't.

I'll be going back into the ER for another swing of shifts on Friday. I guess I'll tell all those folks that they don't need oxygen or medicine, because Covid won't kill them. BobBrown says so. I'm sure that will be a comfort to them.

Seriously? "Honest question?"
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Yes. It is an honest question.

See my reply to Kingston, a couple posts up, for clarification on my gaffe.

Again, I apologize for fecking up when I was tired last night.

Don’t be angry . I wasn’t addressing you

I'm not angry, and if you weren't addressing us all, you didn't make that clear. Am I not allowed to reply to a comment you made to someone else here? Is that a new rule?

Hope like hell that we are nearing the peak for the Delta variant.
Things can start simmering back down for everyone.
Looking at other countries we should just about be there.