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I like the 200g xtp for an all around load. It shoots well for me over about 8.4g of Longshot IIRC. It's about 1150-1200 fps depending on the gun but seems to be the sweet spot for control ability and accuracy. Longshot meters well and gets good speed in all things 10mm and 40.

I shot a gen 3sf glock 20 for years. It was never as reliable as I wanted so I usually carried a 44 man gun or a 44 329pd when bow hunting in grizzly areas.

I had kkm make me a match barrel in 40 s&w long throated to shoot 180s and 200s out of 40 brass loaded to 10mm length and speeds. It worked great and I used cheep once fired 40 brass and loaded it once and let it fly. No more picking up brass.

After I bought my xdm 10mm I fell in love with it. It has been completely reliable and shoots great. I ended up buying another xdm 10 with the threaded barrel and cutout for a dot site so now I have 2 xdms. I sold my glock 20 but still have that kkm 40 barrel for one if someone wants it. It shot great, very accurate. I'm hoping KKM will one day make me the same 40 barrel for my XDM.

I recently cast some Lee 175g TL truncated bullets and powder coated them but haven't loaded them yet. I'd like to find a good 200g round flat nose 40 cal mold. Something with a wide meplat but not too wide to feed well.

I bought some loaded grizzly brand ammo that has a hard cast 200g rnfp that I like the profile of. If they shoot well I'll pull one and send it to NOE or somewhere to get a mold made.

Nosler makes a decent 200g jhp and 180g jhp too. I bought some 200g gold dots from rmr too but they seem like they really open up wide above 1100fps. For defense against people they'd probably be ok but for hunting or bear defense I'm sticking with the 200 xtp at 1150fps or so.

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Originally Posted by RickBin
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by bulkie_roll
G20 and G21 barrels will swap easily .... I own both ( gen 3's ) and are interchangeable .

I also have a G40 long slide and the gen 4 barrels will fit a gen 3 slide but not the other way around due to the re-designed dual rate springs found on the gen 4's ..


Will a G21 barrel swap into a G20 slide? I don't think it does.




Will not. Wish it did, but alas ...


That is what I thought. Thanks Rick.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Love the cartridge and Dan Wesson 1911 platform, i use Longshot under:

140gr Lehigh Penetrators, 1550 fps.
200gr XTP's, 1200 fps.
200gr NOE hard cast hi-tek coated with .0.300" meplat and 22 BHN alloy, 1250 fps.

No handgunner by far, but those three should take care of about anything, bonus is all three bullets land within the group at 20 yards,


Just ordered another 500 of the 200 grain NOE hardcast hi-tek coated bullets from Montana Bullet Works, they'll send ya 500 of them for a 115 dollar slap of some plastic.


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Originally Posted by RickBin
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by bulkie_roll
G20 and G21 barrels will swap easily .... I own both ( gen 3's ) and are interchangeable .

I also have a G40 long slide and the gen 4 barrels will fit a gen 3 slide but not the other way around due to the re-designed dual rate springs found on the gen 4's ..


Will a G21 barrel swap into a G20 slide? I don't think it does.


Will not. Wish it did, but alas ...


I stand corrected . Mind you , It’s been almost 20 years since I’ve fitted my Barsto barrels to my G20 and G21 pistols .

The factory G20 barrel WILL fit in my factory G21 slide , but the factory G21 barrel WILL NOT fit in my factory G20 slide . This is due to the barrel hood / slide recess interface . Both pistols are the 3rd generation .

The G20 barrel hood width is .425 “ .

The G21 barrel hood width is .480 “ .

.480” - .425“ = .0275“ difference on each side .

All other geometry is identical ( besides bore ) .

So if you have a G21, all you need is a G20 magazine , barrel and spring assembly to be able to toggle back and forth between calibers .

The factory G20 barrel functions flawless in my G21 …. All I did was change the magazine , barrel and recoil spring assembly . You have to remember that the extracting geometry on the case is different between the 45 ACP vs.10mm auto ( .395 dia. vs .348 dia. ) and therefore are different extractors . However , I never had feeding or extraction issues .

I then procured and fitted Barsto barrels to both guns . What is nice about these barrels : they are fully supported ( chamber ) , air gauged match grade , hand lapped and traditionally rifled so you can shoot lead . However , they come semi-fitted so you have to do the rest by milling the front of the locking surface ( on the barrel ) until it just drops in the slide . The level of fit desired ( match , factory , duty , etc ) will determine the amount of material that needs to be milled off .

The way I got the G21 barrel to fit on the G20 slide is to remove that .0275” off of each side of the G20 barrel hood width … Fits like a glove and is 100% safe and reliable .


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