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Well, don’t hold me to sensible thoughts on this.
1. I loved reading Bob Hagel as a kid and he was a maniac for them. Being as I thought the 7 Rem was great I always thought of the Mashburn as a 7 Rem Improved.
2. BobinNH hooked me up with what I needed for my first one and it was great. Accurate, made easy speed and piled up elk for me.
3. I make it with 300 Win brass. Great brass makes for less horseschidt to do. I can always get 300 Win brass in some form or fashion so it’s reasonable to not have to chase boutique brass to get excellent quality.
4. It makes an easy 3050 with 175/180 grain Bullets of decent BC and doesn’t belt me hard like a 300 Mag would have to In order to match it. So I can run a lighter rifle that is easier to pack.
And I hope your recovery is going well brother.
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Who want to start the conversation off?
.300 Whelen vs .300 Springfield The .300 Springfield is much better cause it has ammo for it worldwide, the .300 Whelen not so much. Plus the Springfield has that "ring" to its name. Not only that it has "Panache."
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Well, don’t hold me to sensible thoughts on this.
1. I loved reading Bob Hagel as a kid and he was a maniac for them. Being as I thought the 7 Rem was great I always thought of the Mashburn as a 7 Rem Improved.
2. BobinNH hooked me up with what I needed for my first one and it was great. Accurate, made easy speed and piled up elk for me.
3. I make it with 300 Win brass. Great brass makes for less horseschidt to do. I can always get 300 Win brass in some form or fashion so it’s reasonable to not have to chase boutique brass to get excellent quality.
4. It makes an easy 3050 with 175/180 grain Bullets of decent BC and doesn’t belt me hard like a 300 Mag would have to In order to match it. So I can run a lighter rifle that is easier to pack.
And I hope your recovery is going well brother. Sounds like a damn fine cartridge. Just found these old threads. Thanks for the well wishes. Surgery Lucky 7 on the spine. Old Pro at it.... https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-the-heck-is-a-7mm-mashburn-super-magnumhttps://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12229362/7mm-mashburn
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Yup. It’s really smart money to make a 7-300 and save yourself the headache but I’m invested in dies so it’s no big thing now.
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Yup. It’s really smart money to make a 7-300 and save yourself the headache but I’m invested in dies so it’s no big thing now. Roger that
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The 22-250 was my favorite caliber for many years. Killed everything from prairie dogs to hogs, deer and everything in between.
Now it is the 6mm Creedmoor due to the superior 6mm bullets and low recoil. This would be my only caliber if I had to have just one.
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I’d never slight a man carrying a 270, especially if he was a hunter…
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Funny y’all don’t B..... about 6.5 Queermore!
Jerry. I said that. The only thing I can say good about the 6.5 Queermore is it made the manufacturers very wealthy. I am a huge fan of the 6 Creedmoor though. Same.. I got one of them cheap Howas, put it in a McM and man, it’s quite easy to please. So is the 6.5 version. 
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I’d never slight a man carrying a 270, especially if he was a hunter… The problem w/ the .270 Win is... some people seem to feel that they need more. ... and game does not. GR
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I’d never slight a man carrying a 270, especially if he was a hunter… The problem w/ the .270 Win is... < some > people seem to feel that they need more. ... and game does not. GR I see you said 'some' so... Having killed deer with a 44 handgun and even the Anemic 30-30 I know it doesn't take a canon to kill deer. Speaking for myself only, I like FLAT shooters -- NOT for the power -- for the trajectory. Since '95 at least I've hunted leases and private land that have cutovers or pastures so.... I refuse to limit myself to short ranged cartridges. Even at that - I'm NOT being smart - More power does not kill deer MORE dead. Flat trajectories make hitting your target easier at distance. Jerry
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I’d never slight a man carrying a 270, especially if he was a hunter… The problem w/ the .270 Win is... < some > people seem to feel that they need more. ... and game does not. GR I see you said 'some' so... Having killed deer with a 44 handgun and even the Anemic 30-30 I know it doesn't take a canon to kill deer. Speaking for myself only, I like FLAT shooters -- NOT for the power -- for the trajectory. Since '95 at least I've hunted leases and private land that have cutovers or pastures so.... I refuse to limit myself to short ranged cartridges. Even at that - I'm NOT being smart - More power does not kill deer MORE dead. Flat trajectories make hitting your target easier at distance. Jerry Agree mostly with this, but there are some exceptions. For example if you are hunting in thick woods for very large game where shots are not going to be more than 150 yds, then a bigger bore such as .338 or .358 with say a 250 grain projectile and a shorter barrel say 20-22" and maybe a short action weighing no more than 8lbs with scope with manageable recoil will be better than say a .270 with 130 grain projectiles...this means a cartridge that isn't very flat shooting e.g .338-06, .358 Whelen, .338 RCM, .358 WSM (wildcat) . Also, if hunting heavy dangerous game such as buffalo a .45 caliber using a 500 grain projectile at 2200-2300 fps is ideal, but certainly not flat shooting.
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.280 Remington for the WIN
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Sell em all and get a .300 Savage.
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.280 Remington for the WIN Absolutely!
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Sell em all and get a .300 Savage. What are the advantages of the .300 Savage over the .308 Win? And for those who advocate the .280, what are the advantages of the .280 over the .270...what bullet weight in the .280?
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I’d never slight a man carrying a 270, especially if he was a hunter… The problem w/ the .270 Win is... < some > people seem to feel that they need more. ... and game does not. GR I see you said 'some' so... Having killed deer with a 44 handgun and even the Anemic 30-30 I know it doesn't take a canon to kill deer. Speaking for myself only, I like FLAT shooters -- NOT for the power -- for the trajectory. Since '95 at least I've hunted leases and private land that have cutovers or pastures so.... I refuse to limit myself to short ranged cartridges. Even at that - I'm NOT being smart - More power does not kill deer MORE dead. Flat trajectories make hitting your target easier at distance. Jerry Agree mostly with this, but there are some exceptions. For example if you are hunting in thick woods for very large game where shots are not going to be more than 150 yds, then a bigger bore such as .338 or .358 with say a 250 grain projectile and a shorter barrel say 20-22" and maybe a short action weighing no more than 8lbs with scope with manageable recoil will be better than say a .270 with 130 grain projectiles...this means a cartridge that isn't very flat shooting e.g .338-06, .358 Whelen, .338 RCM, .358 WSM (wildcat) . Also, if hunting heavy dangerous game such as buffalo a .45 caliber using a 500 grain projectile at 2200-2300 fps is ideal, but certainly not flat shooting. Why would the .338 or .358 with a 250 grain bullet be better at under 150 yards than the 270 with a 130 grain bullet?? I will take flat shooting even in the brush. The closer to line of sight a bullet stays the less chance of deflection from unseen obstructions.
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Sell em all and get a .300 Savage. What are the advantages of the .300 Savage over the .308 Win? And for those who advocate the .280, what are the advantages of the .280 over the .270...what bullet weight in the .280? The unpopular 280 Remington (ever seen or shot one?) can out-perform the highly respected 270 Winchester, the historic 7x57mm Mauser, the modern-Mauser-replacement 7mm-08 Remington, the 30-06 Springfield, the sparkling 25-06 Remington, and even that trendy of trendiness (dare I say it?), the 6.5 Creedmoor. Matches or beats trajectory and energy of 270 Win. and 30-06 Springfield Shoots bullets from 100-grains to 195-grains Effective for game from groundhogs to moose https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/280-remington-amazing-history-performance
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I’d never slight a man carrying a 270, especially if he was a hunter… The problem w/ the .270 Win is... < some > people seem to feel that they need more. ... and game does not. GR I see you said 'some' so... Having killed deer with a 44 handgun and even the Anemic 30-30 I know it doesn't take a canon to kill deer. Speaking for myself only, I like FLAT shooters -- NOT for the power -- for the trajectory. Since '95 at least I've hunted leases and private land that have cutovers or pastures so.... I refuse to limit myself to short ranged cartridges. Even at that - I'm NOT being smart - More power does not kill deer MORE dead. Flat trajectories make hitting your target easier at distance. Jerry Agree mostly with this, but there are some exceptions. For example if you are hunting in thick woods for very large game where shots are not going to be more than 150 yds, then a bigger bore such as .338 or .358 with say a 250 grain projectile and a shorter barrel say 20-22" and maybe a short action weighing no more than 8lbs with scope with manageable recoil will be better than say a .270 with 130 grain projectiles...this means a cartridge that isn't very flat shooting e.g .338-06, .358 Whelen, .338 RCM, .358 WSM (wildcat) . Also, if hunting heavy dangerous game such as buffalo a .45 caliber using a 500 grain projectile at 2200-2300 fps is ideal, but certainly not flat shooting. Why would the .338 or .358 with a 250 grain bullet be better at under 150 yards than the 270 with a 130 grain bullet?? I will take flat shooting even in the brush. The closer to line of sight a bullet stays the less chance of deflection from unseen obstructions. If the shots are at any angle at large running game partly covered by foliage, when you can't get perfect bullet placement, the bigger diameter and heavier bullet at close range will perform better a greater percentage of the time. If this wasn't so, then I don't see how a 7mm Rem Mag would outperform a .270 Win at medium distances on larger game. You'd sight your .270 close to 3" high at 100 yards for open country and your .338-06 or .35 Whelen about 2" at 100 yards for the woods and only use it in the woods. The .270 isn't going to have a sighting advantage at close range.
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Sell em all and get a .300 Savage. What are the advantages of the .300 Savage over the .308 Win? And for those who advocate the .280, what are the advantages of the .280 over the .270...what bullet weight in the .280? The unpopular 280 Remington (ever seen or shot one?) can out-perform the highly respected 270 Winchester, the historic 7x57mm Mauser, the modern-Mauser-replacement 7mm-08 Remington, the 30-06 Springfield, the sparkling 25-06 Remington, and even that trendy of trendiness (dare I say it?), the 6.5 Creedmoor. Matches or beats trajectory and energy of 270 Win. and 30-06 Springfield Shoots bullets from 100-grains to 195-grains Effective for game from groundhogs to moose https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/280-remington-amazing-history-performance What bullet weight in the .280 would you use most of the time, or would you keep changing the bullet weight and have to keep resighting it in due to probably the different elevation and windage for each time you change bullet weights?
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