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I understand that, but,

Is it 'the Word', is it 'GOD breathed'

Would we know about HIM without it?

1. The Resurrection was built upon the veracity of the O.T. prophecies. If creation and the other miracles that Jesus performed in the beginning and while ministering in His humanity were in doubt, then how can the miracles of substitutionary atonement and resurrection be trusted?
See what I am saying? Jesus performed miracles to establish Who He was and His disciples to confirm those spoken proclamations (prophecies, knowledge, eye witness accounts).
Once Scripture was written and established, the temporary gifts were done away.

2. The written Epistles and books are also an important for faith, which is required to be saved.

"For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed...
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.". https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Romans-10-17/

3. This is why it is attacked by Satan in the Garden of Eden to Revelation. This is also why God points this important fact out from Genesis to Revelation's conclusion, placing upon adding and subtracting from it the harshest judgements.

You might have heard about the Jefferson Bible.
He didn't believe in the miracles. He wrote his own condensed version.

I believe every word Jesus wrote, I trust that the words attributed to Jesus through the Gospels are fairly accurate for our introduction to Christ and his life example, and I accept the Holy Spirit as my mentor and communication with God.

The rest is just worldly noise that folks get all wound up over.

Kent

Would we know about math without a math book...? Would we know about history without a history book...? We learn about math from a math book, and we learn about history from a history book. The books are clearly important. But that does not elevate those books to the level of importance as the actual math and the actual history themselves...!

I can affirm the inspiration of scripture and it’s tremendous importance, but I stop way short of putting it at the center of my faith, or of making belief in its infallibility and inerrancy a litmus test for my salvation.

I don’t practice bibliolatry, and I don’t see scripture as being co-equal with belief in Jesus and His resurrection, especially when it comes to requirements for salvation. Sola fide ~ through faith alone...but who or what must our faith be in for salvation...? To me, faith in Jesus is enough, I don’t also have to believe in the sanctity of the entire Old and/or New Testaments.

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So! Through it, with it, by it, we are thoroughly quipped for every good work............. true or not???

Happy_Camper: To me, the only claim of Christianity that’s required for salvation is believing and accepting God’s grace through faith in Jesus and his redemptive work on the cross.

The Bible claims and affirms its own authority. It says scripture is useful for teaching and rebuking and correcting and for training in righteousness. But it doesn’t say that belief in the inerrancy and in the infallibility of the entirety of the Old and New Testaments is a requirement for salvation.

If one believes in Jesus for salvation, but they're not sure that Jonah was really swallowed by a great fish (for example), to me, that person can still...most definitely...become a saved follower of Jesus.

Jesus didn’t write anything.

That better...?

But how on earth do we know that to be true?
When a Baptist knocked on my door to make his case for the gospel, I took the Bible references that he wrote down and still didn't believe his message. I had to dig out a Bible given to me by the nice Wesleyan Sunday school teachers as a gift. Then I didn't want another Roman Catholic or protestant or minister's opinion. I wanted God's opinion. Creation or Jonah wasn't what was on my mind at the time, but God's opinion about salvation was. That's when I asked and searched read the whole chapter of each verse that was provided earlier. God revealed the understanding and faith was in His written Word as the source, not that Baptist. This is only an example, but faith came by hearing the word of God. Romans 10. The messenger was important to explain the Gospel to me. I didn't take his word for it, but trusted what the Bible said as God's true Word. Faith was the result of my decision. Ephesians 2:8 " For by grace are ye saved through faith..."
All of these were very important as was the ministry of the Holy Spirit. John 16:8-11

I never looked at the Bible as an object of worship. It was the source of accurate revelation from God. I believed the Bible even as a former Catholic. The problem was with mixing faith in Christ with dead works. It was a clear explanation + Scripture that got through to me and anyone I've ever led to Christ.
I suppose that there's someone who considers the Bible as the forth member of the trinity if I were to guess, but I never met him.

OMG, we might kind of sorta agree on something. Someone needs to check the temperature in hell.

I was born and raised catholic and it was pretty much beaten into me for the first 18 years of my life. I have a question. Has the Bible always been the word of God? If it has always been the word of God, why were books removed from it? We know there were at least 14 books tossed out of the bible. Some estimate allot more than that. Several of them having to do with Mary Magdalene. She was thought of as a prostitute for hundreds of years. Do you think Jesus is real happy about that? in some cases, if you had a copy of some of these books, it was considered heresy. How is owning a copy of the word of God heresy? What gave these people the right to throw God's word in the garbage?

I don't believe in organized religion. It's more corrupt than politics.

My favorite passage pointing out the hypocrisy is Mathew 19:21. My all time favorite passage is 2 Kings 2:23-24.

Jesus can reveal Himself in any manner He chooses. God doesn’t ‘only’ reveal Himself through the Bible. Jesus isn’t bound by the covers of a book.

Long before there were any Christian scriptures, there were Jesus’ followers - men and women whose faith began with an empty tomb - and no ‘the Bible.’ The fact that none of em’ had ‘the Bible’ clearly didn’t interfere with their salvation, or their ability to have communion with God, or their ability to lay the groundwork for the evangelization of the entire world.

Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit to teach us, and to help us, and to advocate for us. The same Spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead actually resides within His followers, and teaches them the things that God wants them to know, and helps them live the way that God wants them to live.

To me, ‘that’ is true.

Happy_Camper: To me, the foundation of Christianity is not the Bible. To me, the foundation of Christianity is the event of Jesus’ Resurrection. That event launched His movement...His ekklesia...which eventually brought us the Bible.

Unbelievers in the mid-first century were never asked to become Jesus’ followers through blind faith in an authoritative New Testament that didn’t even exist yet. They were encouraged to become Jesus’ followers based on the reality of God and the reality of Jesus’ Resurrection.

I thought that he wrote in red.

Antlers, has an infinity for speaking his truth that respects others and God.

He’s just a solid person and someone I would call a friend.

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Rather profound isn't it, he could have written 14 trillion words for us to study, he could still be alive for these 2000 years writing everything there is to know about God... and still writing... when would he have started and when could he have stopped.

Or he could use the Holy Spirit for our teacher, infinite knowledge.

We only need the introduction, that's what words are for. It's not like man was getting it right so he didn't have to come. And it's judt like man to start screwing it up with excess words and arguments after he left.

Such is God's burden with man.

Kent

People want a small God, a God they can contain in a single book, a God in the image of words they write, a God in their image.

Kent

Jesus used the whole Jonah and the whale story as the sign that was given to prove the resurrection from the dead. He said, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign but there shall be no sign given but the sign of the prophet Jonas who was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale." Jesus then told them that He, the Son of man would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. a sure fulfilment of the prophecy of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ -- the exact gospel that Paul gave under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost in 1Corinthians 15:1-4. I think that is called the gospel of our salvation, and I would submit , is a requirement of salvation. earlier in chapter 15, it is mentioned that if Christ was not raised from the dead, (like Jonas getting puked out of the whale's belly) we are yet in our sins. Think I'd leave that sign about Jonas alone.

Couldn’t agree more. 🙏🏻

But would you share your WhiteClaw??? 🤔😆