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Campfire Sage
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Awesome thoughts, many things you said are so true, it's crazy we stay functional. We are beyond fixing any of this mess. This.
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Campfire Outfitter
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Thanks, I agree with everything but the 416 Rigby. It's a bit much for our scrawny Texas deer.
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Campfire Sage
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Campfire Sage
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Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion! Three cheers for Oregon! LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Campfire Oracle
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Campfire Oracle
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Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.
I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.
A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:
1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.
2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.
3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.
4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.
5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.
6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.
7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.
8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.
9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.
10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.
The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.
And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.
In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.
What was you previous screen name?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
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Campfire Ranger
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Campfire Ranger
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Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion! What facts do you have? Never said I had facts! That is an observation! Observations and opinions are different! Just like opinions and facts are different! You want to enlighten me and others with facts, go for it. I'm sure all would welcome facts! No need to yell.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Campfire Outfitter
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Campfire Outfitter
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Well heck, I usually give the FNG a load of crap right off the bat but this time a welcome is in order!
Dog I rescued in January
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Campfire Ranger
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Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion! What facts do you have? Never said I had facts! That is an observation! Observations and opinions are different! Just like opinions and facts are different! You want to enlighten me and others with facts, go for it. I'm sure all would welcome facts! My local hospital has acquired every health care facility within a 120 mile radius. They have a monopoly. A couple years ago a federal agency fined them $24 million. Basically they were engaging in cronyism and referring patients to other specialist for test and more test, essentially milking the patients for every dime they could . This hospital organization will either silence or terminate anyone that doesn't tow the company line. They promote yes men, promotions are not based on competence. This parallels what the OP is saying. And yes Heymen06 you can dismiss this as opinion, but my wife and stepdaughter worked for the beast and saw it firsthand..... also the fines are public record. Oh and currently there is a major battle going on , the workers want to unionize as the abuse has been so bad. Not an opinion Your post never surprise me because after all you are from Oregon. Whatever you do please never leave Oregon
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Campfire Tracker
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Welcome new guy! Your introduction took long enough to get to the point. All you have stated is personal opinion! No facts linked. Thanks for your opinion! Three cheers for Oregon! LOL I see you sobered up! Nice to have the king of one liners back. Be careful Bob Brown is closing in on your one liner record! Might want to get off the golf course and back in the putter chain!
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Campfire Kahuna
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Campfire Kahuna
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Having a sick kid, we learned a while back to not trust anybody.
You have to do your own research and double and triple check every aspect ( from appts, established treatments, possible new ones, various therapies etc ).
YOU are the responsible person. Too many when sick or not, want somebody else to do everything for em.
Honestly, with as crooked, inept and fugged up as our medical system has become.....somebody of avg intelligence and drive is screwed.
You really need to bring your A game nowadays.
Just to deal w moderate health stuff.
Serious illness?
If you arent an informed hawk about everything youre friggin dead. A slow dead, so they can wreck your finances.
I have no faith in nurses NP or docs. Have seen em fugg everything up along the way.
However, good ones do exist. And the vetting process isnt fun. But you find em and they realize youre serious about getting well and it becomes a good relationship.
Hell, being an informed hardass ultimately makes their job easier, and more rewarding, as patient health improves.
But the avg person, healer or patient, is a POS.
Try to avoid the system the best you can ( eat right and exercise ).
Spot ON!
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STRSWilson: You have been to/in the "Gemba". For that your opinion is highly valuable.
Regardless of whether you provide a myriad of references to published works, your work in the "Gemba" gives you a level of wisdom worth sharing.
Thank you.
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Campfire Ranger
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"The OP types too fast."
- DocRocket
Epstein didn't kill himself.
"Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!"
Biden didn't win the election.
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Campfire Ranger
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Epstein didn't kill himself.
"Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!"
Biden didn't win the election.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Campfire Kahuna
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I’ve played physicians off of each other. Ask three the same thing, get three different answers.
I’ve had up to 5 nephrologists and surgical transplant nephrologists working with me at the same time. The guys with their ‘hands in the goo’ actually impressed me more AND went along with MY recommendations to change my anti rejection meds to a different family of immunosuppressive agents based on my research and personal observations. Saved myself a lot of problems. Including further bone marrow injury.
Also played this with 2 cardiologists against each other.
I got a good people now after a chewing thru dozens of dead wood.
Spend about 5 hours a week reading white papers, medical studies, reviews and outcomes, plus patient forums, just gleaning person observations. I also spend about 3 hours a week dealing with insurance, billing personnel, and third parties.
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Campfire Sage
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Campfire Sage
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I’ve played physicians off of each other. Ask three the same thing, get three different answers.
I’ve had up to 5 nephrologists and surgical transplant nephrologists working with me at the same time. They guys with their ‘hands in the goo’ actually impressed me more AND went along with MY recommendations to change my anti rejection meds to a different family of immunosuppressive agents based on my research and personal observations. Saved myself a lot of problems. Including further bone marrow injury.
Also played this with 2 cardiologists against each other.
I got a good people now after a chewing thru dozens of dead wood. Are you the Samuel L. Jackson character from Unbreakable? Or 170 years old?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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We no longer have a medical community of professionals that have the patient's best interests at heart. We now have a MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX that tows the line to their Betters/Masters.
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Campfire Kahuna
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Campfire Kahuna
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I’ve played physicians off of each other. Ask three the same thing, get three different answers.
I’ve had up to 5 nephrologists and surgical transplant nephrologists working with me at the same time. They guys with their ‘hands in the goo’ actually impressed me more AND went along with MY recommendations to change my anti rejection meds to a different family of immunosuppressive agents based on my research and personal observations. Saved myself a lot of problems. Including further bone marrow injury.
Also played this with 2 cardiologists against each other.
I got a good people now after a chewing thru dozens of dead wood. Are you the Samuel L. Jackson character from Unbreakable? Or 170 years old? I’d be a hell of a doctor shopper if the opiate game was still fast n loose.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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New guy says, "I joined because you guys are sooo right"
Campfire responds, "yes, yes we are! OMG welcome! Tell us again. We love you long time..."
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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Campfire Ranger
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One biggie is when you do find competent physicians, theres usually a considerable wait to get to em.
Good docs like smart patients. Remember you from years ago. Even the staff does.
Remember, most who they are trying to heal are lazy and or stupid.
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Covid is real. Unfortunately it is also really political. And the reality of the health care system ...is corruption.
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