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Originally Posted by Diesel


Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by doubleDs55
Awesome thoughts, many things you said are so true, it's crazy we stay functional. We are beyond fixing any of this mess.

This.


Ditto


There's a fix, but try getting it through the maze of paperwork, fighting lobbying from the Pharmas, BC/BS, the insurance industry, AMA, and .gov regulators.

You've no doubt heard of Credit Unions and Electrical Co-ops? Owned by the members (not some Fund in NYC or China) and any "profit" is distributed back to them in the form of lower rates and sometimes even a dividend type check. And every member has a vote

Our Electric Co-op, over 100 years old and still going strong, has the lowest rates and the best service in the State. The workers are paid as well as anywhere else, and likely better than some other places. A person, yes a real live ENGLISH speaking person, answers the phone when called about an outage in the neighborhood.

Sure, co-ops and credit unions likely have some bad operators, unlike just about all "banks" and Utilities, but I'd rather give my $$$ to a local entity than a large corporation that has the stockholders interests in mind and not mine.

Other than the roadblocks mentioned above, I see no reason a Medical Co-op wouldn't work. Docs would still get paid according to their skill set, just like engineers or credit union execs.


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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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STRSWilson, thank you. About half of what you stated I either knew or assumed. Thanks much for confirming and coloring in the rest.

Best Wishes to you in your retirement.

PS- I'm guessing you're probably pretty thankful you don't have to deal with the brain noise nonsense personally, face to face anymore.


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Rehabilitation is way overrated.

Orwell wasn't wrong.

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Everything you say is wonderful. laugh

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Originally Posted by Boarmaster123
After a lifetime of being healthy I got to experience the healthcare system first hand in 2019 and 2020. Two extended stays in the hospital with life threatening issues. I wont bore you with the details. But my experience very closely mimics the OPs thoughts. Like any business there are good and bad players. I was impressed with most nurses and PAs. A little less with certain Docs other than my own person doc who is a lifelong friend and hunting buddy I credit him with getting me straightened out long term. My surgeons and cardiologists were all top notch. Some of the others were sort of detached and just running in prescribing drugs and tests. Some necessary some outright BS. I cant say that I didnt receive quality care but there was a few times that if I wasn't questioning what was going on I may have had a bad outcome. I let the docs know who got offended when I had questions that they could either answer my questions or I would request they be replaced. Some seemed shocked by my boldness.
I got along very well with most all my caregivers and I tried to make my time with them as enjoyable as possible. I saw a lot of things that were great and some not so great.






Been there.. and did the same. Couple years before your incarceration.

PS- I had to put my foot down and damn near fight my way out of the fk'n place.


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Rehabilitation is way overrated.

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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Dillonbuck:


270vsCreed? - 416 Rigby, but if I was forced to choose between the two, the .416 Rigby. I have been known to shoot a pile of .270 in WSM but I don't like to brag about it. I am not really a new fad sort of shooter.

Miracle Whip vs Mayo? Mayo (Miracle Whip is a desert topping and floor wax)

Hellman's vs Dukes? I am a Southern Boy - Only Dukes

Beans? Nope, Just BBQ





I don't trust you yet.

I think you have done research and answered politically.

And you dodged the first question.
Politician/lawyer/used car salesman?

But you do admit 270wsm.

Phag-mum?

Welcome back, but we gotta watch ya!


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Everything you say is wonderful. laugh

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Why?

FFS

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Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Everything you say is wonderful. laugh

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Why?

FFS

lol

Just going with the flow, the new guy speaks truths.... The Campfire says yes yes yes! I can't bear it anymore, Im hitting the Walmart, with reciprocity... .


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I'll second, or third or fourth or whatever, the lust for billing.

I'm an unfortunate soul, was "saved" from Hodgkin's lymphoma in 1976 with cobalt radiation, 4000 rads per phase, about 40 times what the near survivors of the Jap bombs were zapped with. So, for decades I've been an outcast, uninsurable unless I wanted a safe government or corporate job, not the life for me. So I hoarded a pile of cash, and the INSTANT I started thinking I might be able to ENJOY that hoard, SPLAT.

Three years short of Medicare, well, let's just say the flames re-lit and I'm trying now to figure out how I'm going to end. But I'm six months and probably 80 grand into "diagnosis" and only now is the picture clarifying, and THAT's after a hellacious struggle just getting in to see the various practitioners, who are all fully siloed into their specialties and unable to accept the fact that peasant ME figured it out. I've got at least seven tumors, two gone (finally), two inoperable already, and two others still needing invasive biopsies, I forgot the seventh (oh yeah, colon, there were five there but nothing major).

But the billing has been an outrage. 21 grand ALONE has been for three body scans, yet those expensive scans weren't good enough to determine the condition of my prostate prior to them cutting me open. Jeezus Fin Chistopher!

Hellth care, that's what it is.


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Blasphemy!
Great post


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Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
I'll second, or third or fourth or whatever, the lust for billing.

I'm an unfortunate soul, was "saved" from Hodgkin's lymphoma in 1976 with cobalt radiation, 4000 rads per phase, about 40 times what the near survivors of the Jap bombs were zapped with. So, for decades I've been an outcast, uninsurable unless I wanted a safe government or corporate job, not the life for me. So I hoarded a pile of cash, and the INSTANT I started thinking I might be able to ENJOY that hoard, SPLAT.

Three years short of Medicare, well, let's just say the flames re-lit and I'm trying now to figure out how I'm going to end. But I'm six months and probably 80 grand into "diagnosis" and only now is the picture clarifying, and THAT's after a hellacious struggle just getting in to see the various practitioners, who are all fully siloed into their specialties and unable to accept the fact that peasant ME figured it out. I've got at least seven tumors, two gone (finally), two inoperable already, and two others still needing invasive biopsies, I forgot the seventh (oh yeah, colon, there were five there but nothing major).

But the billing has been an outrage. 21 grand ALONE has been for three body scans, yet those expensive scans weren't good enough to determine the condition of my prostate prior to them cutting me open. Jeezus Fin Chistopher!

Hellth care, that's what it is.



If you voted for Biden, you should suck start a Glock


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by ironbender
#homobender

LOL


One holiday my girlfriend and I went to her sister's. As soon as I walked in, I could tell that the home decorator was "gay."
It wasn't nearly this out of the closet.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ew/1/kingston-home-decorating-llc#UNREAD


LOL


Was that your first affair?


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
I'll second, or third or fourth or whatever, the lust for billing.

I'm an unfortunate soul, was "saved" from Hodgkin's lymphoma in 1976 with cobalt radiation, 4000 rads per phase, about 40 times what the near survivors of the Jap bombs were zapped with. So, for decades I've been an outcast, uninsurable unless I wanted a safe government or corporate job, not the life for me. So I hoarded a pile of cash, and the INSTANT I started thinking I might be able to ENJOY that hoard, SPLAT.

Three years short of Medicare, well, let's just say the flames re-lit and I'm trying now to figure out how I'm going to end. But I'm six months and probably 80 grand into "diagnosis" and only now is the picture clarifying, and THAT's after a hellacious struggle just getting in to see the various practitioners, who are all fully siloed into their specialties and unable to accept the fact that peasant ME figured it out. I've got at least seven tumors, two gone (finally), two inoperable already, and two others still needing invasive biopsies, I forgot the seventh (oh yeah, colon, there were five there but nothing major).

But the billing has been an outrage. 21 grand ALONE has been for three body scans, yet those expensive scans weren't good enough to determine the condition of my prostate prior to them cutting me open. Jeezus Fin Chistopher!

Hellth care, that's what it is.



If you voted for Biden, you should suck start a Glock


Besides that I'm pretty sure he choose not to be insured as Obamacare took care of being "uninsurable".


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I'm not to sure about Mr. Wilson as he refuses to answer questions and he thinks Ivermectin is used for Lupus.

Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Ivermectin is a widely prescribed drug throughout the African continent, Asia, India, and South America. Since its inception, more than 3.7 billion doses have been dispensed and it has saved countless lives. Here in the States those suffering from Lupus have been taking it for years on end without any complications.



Makes me wonder about the guy a little.


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Originally Posted by slumlord
Get me a Chunky

Hmmm. Didn't see a Chunky for sure. Chunky ladies, all of them. I know you secretly like WM so....


I got some soda I never heard of called Ale81, ginger and citrus? Some tonic water with quinine (because it will probably prevent the CoVage which I am very frightened of according to what's his name.) Nothing else regionally specific, besides possibly extra brands of pork skins. I was hoping for some of those frozen Jamaican beef breaded sandwich things in a microwave pouch, but, no go. They're south east only I think. Happiness was found in the form of WM chocolate ice cream cone 8-pack. They're an awesome treat.


Walmart rating, this is Ohio, not cool like Iowa. Very much darker here. This one is a 2 star, close to 3. Fuucking disaster area. Roof leaking without buckets to catch it. Steady rain from Nebraska across Missouri, Illinois, Indiana. Employees pretending to work. Chit misplaced everywhere. Playing jiggiboo music on the PA. Spray paint isle tagged. The trashiest white folk I've seen outside of Arkansas. About half-masked. They freaking eye-balled me intensely at the self-checkout! WTF?


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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Many years ago I use to frequent the Campfire as I am an avid hunter/shooter. I decided to reenlist after reading so many threads about Covid. Lot’s of interesting discussions and a lot of opinions. Like everyone else, I’ve got mine. Not here is piss on toes, but maybe I can pass on a little insight and facts.

I retired from the healthcare field after 26 years. I was an infection control & surveillance instructor and worked with foreign health ministries, hospitals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, plant and mechanical engineers, and risk management departments. I’ve worked in field hospitals to the largest medical institutions in the world in 15+ countries. At the end of the day, I was a glorified janitor, but during my career I witnessed the Man Behind the Curtain and boy it ain’t pretty.

A few observations about our current state of US medical care, guidance we are being fed, and the pandemic:

1. Just because you have a Dr. In front of your name doesn’t mean you know everything even though you might believe otherwise. Doctors today are little more than union employees thanks to the Affordable Care Act and Medicare/Medicaid. It’s all about Group Think, and you either comply with the program or you’re cancelled and lose your career.

2. Today, the half-life of medical knowledge is less than two years. Most anything your doctor tells you is probably wrong or soon will be.

3. Not every medical solution comes from a pharmacy and a hospital. We like to believe the US has the best medical care and on many levels it does, but it is amazing the scotch tape and kite string medical innovation that happens in the most impoverished corners of the world.

4. US Hospitals are little more than Risk Management organizations. It’s no longer about Quality of Care, but managing risks and profits. Hospital CEO’s are bean counters focused on managing costs and liability and not on improving patient care.

5. US Hospitals are the only American industry that can kill 120,000 Americans a year through Nosocomial infections and employ doctors that kill another 250,000 Americans a year though medical errors and still remain open.

6. Defensive Medicine has turned into “How many bills can I submit to the insurer and Medicare/Medicaid?” Patients are little more than Cash Cows today. Check in and be prepared for a long, excruciating experience of endless tests and procedures while hoping that you survive the ride. Fun times.

7. Big Pharma controls the show. They control the FDA, they control the drugs available and promoted by doctors, they crush any outside innovation or competition, they control the treatment pathway, and they are in collusion with the Hospitals and Insurers. And like lawyers, they all get paid regardless of the outcome and have about as much emotional investment in the outcome.

8. Healthcare Workers (aka Nurses and PAs) are the real doctors today. I found few that were not invested in their patient’s well-being and were at a minimum, as knowledgeable and capable as someone with a Dr in front of their name. They save countless patient’s lives from medical mistakes made by their “superiors”. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and treated with all the respect of a disposable tongue depressor. They are the heroes of this pandemic.

9. US Medical Research Universities are controlled by and a slave to their funding sources. They produce the evidence based research they are instructed to produce. They, like virtually all other research institutions in the US, are professional welfare whores. Deviate from the plan and the funding evaporates.

10. The current pandemic presented the perfect opportunity for the largest power grab in human history. Politicians have become doctors and doctors are quietly complicit in the process for fear of being cancelled. In private, most of the US docs (that I know personally) who are still practicing are at a minimum terrified by what is happening. The retired doctors that I know are apoplectic with what they are witnessing.

The pandemic has been used as a political divisive tool to control group think and behavior; the Racism Tool pales in comparison. Every socioeconomic class has been shattered and pitted against one another.

And for the record, I am not vaxxed not because I believe in the conspiracy theories but because I don’t believe in the “science” that has been presented. I pour though PubMed and countless peer reviewed studies every day - an old occupational habit. I have not found any evidence that compels me to line up as an unpaid experimental lab rat. In fact, there is mounting evidence to reinforce my initial skepticism over the “science”. Contrary to what Fauci has promised, the facts show we ain’t mass vaxxing our way out of this pandemic and may well be making matters far worse.

In closing, question everything and do your own research. I do not believe ANY of the pandemic data that is being reported in this country. Politics, power, and money are controlling the narrative.... as it always does.

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