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Then we will see no more mutations beyond Delta since it is clearly able to infect, replicate and transmit through the vaccinated quite effectively no ?
Each vaccinated person can favor a wide variety of mutations. No reason to assume they'd only favor one particular mutation from the seminal form. It seems that if Delta is able to infect, replicate and transmit through the vaccinated just fine, then it would be no more or less likely to produce a mutant strain than in an unvaccinated host. Each individual vaccinated person is a variant manufacturing machine all his own (for reasons already explained to you). Viruses don't communicate with each other long distance and agree on only one variant stemming from the seminal form of the virus.
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Regardless of what happens in the next few months, the most deadly variation will be peaking about 1 month before the mid term election. You get the science, Jake. Lol.
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Let me see if I can get the disease causing virus mutation process straight. In an unvaccinated population a virus does better if it can become more contagious and less deadly? A function of not killing the host and being able to be carried around to new hosts? In a vaccinated population maybe the more benign mutations are controlled by the ''vaccine'' and the normal process of mutation is altered to maybe allow deadlier versions to evade the vaccine and escape into the population?
...variants that are able to reproduce more will reproduce more, then more if them will reproduce even more yet and so on.
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"If you peer deeper, you’ll generally find this: The vaccinated remain substantially protected against serious illness or death, but the unvaccinated are entering the hospital and dying at very high rates indeed, "
Out of the numerous paragraphs in your post,
Any discussion here on the above quote, that paragraph is fact or not? You've got to read it in context. The rest of the paragraph. "If you peer deeper, you’ll generally find this: The vaccinated remain substantially protected against serious illness or death, but the unvaccinated are entering the hospital and dying at very high rates indeed, as if to compensate. Thus Israel has maintained the same case fatality rate of around 0.7%, before and after mass vaccination. If this is just Delta being more dangerous, then we would expect countries with lower vaccination rates to be enduring truly staggering mortality right now, but they are not. In heavily vaccinated countries, Delta is raging with a rare fury among the unvaccinated, but in lesser-vaccinated countries it is doing nothing unusual. This means that the efficacy statistics are broadly unreliable. The exact reasons don’t really matter: Either the vaccines have the power to change the whole picture, or they don’t." Kingston, you are assuming same levels of exposure between heavily vaccinated populations (Israel) and (countries with lower vaccination rates) another way to read it - don't be an un-vaccinated person in a highly vaccinated country, if you can help it. The quoted text is saying the data is flawed. Yet you try to make a case based on the data? pre-vaccinated fatality rates were pre-Delta infections....it is not a stationary data set, some folks are missing that point.
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Regardless of what happens in the next few months, the most deadly variation will be peaking about 1 month before the mid term election. You get the science, Jake. Lol. Lol
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Then we will see no more mutations beyond Delta since it is clearly able to infect, replicate and transmit through the vaccinated quite effectively no ?
Each vaccinated person can favor a wide variety of mutations. No reason to assume they'd only favor one particular mutation from the seminal form. It seems that if Delta is able to infect, replicate and transmit through the vaccinated just fine, then it would be no more or less likely to produce a mutant strain than in an unvaccinated host. Each individual vaccinated person is a variant manufacturing machine all his own (for reasons already explained to you). Viruses don't communicate with each other long distance and agree on only one variant stemming from the seminal form of the virus. Each host, vaccinated or not, is a variant producing machine. Viruses were mutating long before mankind ever developed a vaccine of any sort.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Then we will see no more mutations beyond Delta since it is clearly able to infect, replicate and transmit through the vaccinated quite effectively no ?
Each vaccinated person can favor a wide variety of mutations. No reason to assume they'd only favor one particular mutation from the seminal form. It seems that if Delta is able to infect, replicate and transmit through the vaccinated just fine, then it would be no more or less likely to produce a mutant strain than in an unvaccinated host. Each individual vaccinated person is a variant manufacturing machine all his own (for reasons already explained to you). Viruses don't communicate with each other long distance and agree on only one variant stemming from the seminal form of the virus. Each host, vaccinated or not, is a variant producing machine. Viruses were mutating long before mankind ever developed a vaccine of any sort. Exactly my FUUCKING CONTENTION all along ! Thank you !!!
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Blackfart: The Unemployed Virologist
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Blackfart: The Unemployed Virologist
Lol There's a difference between unemployed and retired you fuucking retard. Of course you can't understand that precisely because you are a fuucking retard.
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The way out is to get the vaccine and be safe.
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If you peer deeper, you’ll generally find this: The vaccinated remain substantially protected against serious illness or death, but the unvaccinated are entering the hospital and dying at very high rates indeed, as if to compensate.
I'd LOVE to see some verifiable sources supporting this, that aren't based upon the selective reporting of ONLY unvaccinated patients. Add the incoming vaccinated patients to the Covid hospitalization rates, and you find the exact opposite is true: Those getting the Vax suffer from ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) escalation of Covid infections, on a massive scale. It is when I look at Israel and Iceland - two of the highest vaccinated countries of the world - the clearer picture emerges. Eliminate the non-vaxxed to an insignificant contribution, and we see Covid truthfully rages much more fiercely within Vaxxed. Not because of the unavailability of the non-Vaxxed to infect, but because the Vaxxed are MORE susceptible to severe infection. The rest of of your posted link seems to get it right, along with your summary. If it really was about the public health and safety, the numbers wouldn't need to be fudged and cherry-picked, would they?
UPDATE: My critics complain that Delta has a different seasonality, so calendar-date comparisons are inappropriate. This was only an attempt to simplify. Compare mortality statistics however you want: They have, as a rule, not improved. My critics complain further that Israel’s unchanging case fatality rate is an outlier, and that the CFR is declining elsewhere. This is true! I only cited Israel to illustrate the shifting burden of mortality and hospitalization to the unvaccinated. Official case fatality rates are obviously determined by local diagnostic policies and in themselves they mean almost nothing.
You should doubt anything that establishes your critics' position. Most colds and flu bugs - including Covid - gets beaten back by vitamin D3. That is why it is so rarely seen in the summer: we naturally make it with sunshine upon the skin in sufficient amounts to overcome all but the most loaded transmission vectors. The "Delta" variant is no different - it will get beaten back with a healthy diet, and healthy amounts of outdoor activity. Come to think of it, a healthy lifestyle will do the same thing....to most diseases.
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Now I understand why they say doctors "practice" medicine.
For decades, doctors have been put on a pedestal. I think what pi$$es of the MEDICAL/INDUSTRIAL complex the most is that people have gotten wise to how the MEDICAL/INDUSTRIAL complex has been manipulating John Q Public.
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Each host, vaccinated or not, is a variant producing machine.
Viruses were mutating long before mankind ever developed a vaccine of any sort.
True, in a sense, but we're referring to mutants gaining the advantage over the seminal variety, which would only happen in an environment that disfavors the seminal form, which, in this case, would be a body imperfectly vaccinated against the seminal form, and all these vaccines are highly imperfect.
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The way out is to get the vaccine and be safe.
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I'd LOVE to see some verifiable sources supporting this, that aren't based upon the selective reporting of ONLY unvaccinated patients. Add the incoming vaccinated patients to the Covid hospitalization rates, and you find the exact opposite is true: Those getting the Vax suffer from ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) escalation of Covid infections, on a massive scale. Who is influencing all the county health dept's, doctors, and hospitals nationwide to report otherwise and how are they doing it ? I have looked at stats from the county dept. of health here as well as from hospitals and doctors nationwide and they all report that 90-95% of hospitalized patients are unvaccinated. Strange that not one will say otherwise and that they all could be influenced/coerced/threatened/ whatever to all stick to the same story.
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the "science" you all worship is corrupt and created by rich old pedophiles, pseudo science that is carefully crafted to stimulate your dulled senses and lull you into further stupor of diety worship of these "scientists"
your blind trust in the elite psychopaths proves far beyond a reasonable doubt and well into documented proof that induced mental illness can and has been achieved via massive indoctrination and programming
if some of you have any semblance of humanity left, take a step back and observe the vile madness that emanates from your insane comrades
if a mind is a terrible thing to waste then surely this mass lobotomy is an epic sorrow of wasted minds on a grand scale
fortunately, for your own sake, your ignorace to the obvious protects your feeble minds from self destruction
"they know not what they do"
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Strange that not one will say otherwise and that they all could be influenced/coerced/threatened/ whatever to all stick to the same story. Not like the global warming fraudsters. Who also used "computer models" and misleading charts ta project catastrophe. And fudged the numbers, so that they looked bad. And "redefined" established terminology, so that they could lie more easily. They didn't stick ta the same story, either.
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Gayhunter is just another troll bot. Ignore and it’ll make another account in a week and start again. I’m getting pretty good at spotting them in the first sentence and not even finishing the first post before they go on ignore. I used to leave them unblocked but these days they make every thread unreadable. I’ve seen as many as ten troll posts in a row between legitimate posts.
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Who let the fûcktard loose from Demonrat Underground?
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