|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,727
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,727 |
Where did Arizona get a congressman in 1870? Disease, hunting, sport all must have helped as did good iol climate change.
The deforestation was a big factor in passenger pigeons
AND. Can I get a mini mammoth to replace my pot belly pig?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 8,277 Likes: 6
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 8,277 Likes: 6 |
Yes Native People killed many animals, some to near extinction, and continue to do so.
My Grandfathers killed thousands of Buffalo, they would go on Buffalo hunts from Saskatchewan to the Rocky Mountains. That was their occupation, they worked for the Hudson bay company, and the North west company providing food for the employees that were drivers of the Canadian fur trade.
It is true there was a connection to the land, via the animals that provided food and clothing, they had no knowledge of the extent the damage they did to the survival of a species such as the Buffalo, how could they?
Special interest groups in the USA and Canada have discovered a soft spot, they now try to use it to destroy hunting opportunities for non Native people, I see it everyday, its all about control.
The best thing to happen to any species on this Continent is.... Science...... all species of People should try it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5 |
Why does everyone think that all white people in the USA are descended from Angles and Saxons?
Answer me that! Because so few are as good-looking as the Irish, of course.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5 |
Thank you, kaywoodie! I am a Celt and we don't like Saxons. We killed them as many as we could. Thank you SK! Damn right we do Conrad!!! 🤣 Ya, us Celts killed almost as many Anglo-Saxons as we did each other 😎
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 26,018 Likes: 10
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 26,018 Likes: 10 |
In IIRC 1745, the Cherokees, and just the Cherokees, brung in 145,000 deer hides to British traders in Savannah.
Go to the old Fort Pitt Museum in Pittsburg PA, where they documented 298,000 bucks (deer hides) brung in by the Indians in 1763. Deer hides was big business, taken in part by mass deer drives at night.
Supposed to be the origin of "buck" to mean $1 as that was the going price of a nice buck's skin.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5 |
Anyway, you white fuggers keep telling yourselves anything you need in order to assuage your guilt.
Dude..... “.....blubber, its what’s fer dinner....”If that ain’t true at your house then STFU...... Poser...
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,662
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,662 |
TLDR .... but I see your 2500 words and I'll raise you 3000 words. I'll leave it to others to make the call.
What you think about, you do ... what you do, you become. In a nation where anything goes ... eventually, everything will. We're almost there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 8,277 Likes: 6
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 8,277 Likes: 6 |
On these Buffalo hunts they went after the Cows for meat, the Bulls for the hide. When the Cows were targeted for superior meat, it was the beginning of the end for the Buffalo.
In Canada we have seen a similar thing in recent times, we do it everyday with other species like fish, our salmon stocks are a perfect example......man is a slow learner.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 19,604 Likes: 15
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 19,604 Likes: 15 |
Thank you, kaywoodie! I am a Celt and we don't like Saxons. We killed them as many as we could. Thank you SK! Damn right we do Conrad!!! 🤣 Ya, us Celts killed almost as many Anglo-Saxons as we did each other 😎 The Irish were made a bitch by anybody that seriously tried. Simply put there was nothing on that island worth having, so they left the cousin-fugkers alone for centuries lol.
MAGA
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,662
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,662 |
Anyway, you white fuggers keep telling yourselves anything you need in order to assuage your guilt. Not that I disagree with you on this but still ... Lay off the fire water ... and gfy with that a sausage. I have zero guilt for anything my fellow white fuggers did or do.
What you think about, you do ... what you do, you become. In a nation where anything goes ... eventually, everything will. We're almost there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5 |
Thank you, kaywoodie! I am a Celt and we don't like Saxons. We killed them as many as we could. Thank you SK! Damn right we do Conrad!!! 🤣 Ya, us Celts killed almost as many Anglo-Saxons as we did each other 😎 The Irish were made a bitch by anybody that seriously tried. Simply put there was nothing on that island worth having, so they left the cousin-fugkers alone for centuries lol. Just another sore loser. There’s almost no Viking DNA among the modern Irish, perhaps your guys were Gay.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 11,921
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 11,921 |
This speaks of truth for sure.
On the plains the introduction of the horse made some indians more equal than others.
It sped up the buffaloes demise as well as other tribes.
They ground up the bones for bone meal for farm crops.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 19,604 Likes: 15
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 19,604 Likes: 15 |
The Irish were made a bitch by anybody that seriously tried. Simply put there was nothing on that island worth having, so they left the cousin-fugkers alone for centuries lol.
Just another sore loser. There’s almost no Viking DNA among the modern Irish, perhaps your guys were Gay. "my guys" include some of the speckle faced gingers according to the DNA folks. Them that wanted to took all the hot ones and left the rest, who would become what the rest of the world recognizes as Irish today. Still, I'd rather be a potato eating papist than a Stone Age just barely can make fire Indian if given my choice lol.
MAGA
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,952 Likes: 5 |
When I did Ancestry.com they got us down to practically a city block in far Southwest Cork 😎 You prob’ly know that it came out they could get that specific on account of widespread fecundity on the one hand, and poverty on the other, induced three or four generations of inbreeding before the famine hit So Ancestry.com stopped being so specific. Hey, I’m a pedigree.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,180
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,180 |
Wait, you mean the Indians running entire herds of Buffalo off cliffs had something to do with their demise???
Who would have thought???
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 13,171 Likes: 10
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 13,171 Likes: 10 |
One need only look at a few native communities to get an idea how well they would manage our lands and natural resources. Pine Ridge Agency, South Dakota
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,475 Likes: 18
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,475 Likes: 18 |
The deforestation was a big factor in passenger pigeons
Another big factor was the destruction of nesting sites. Hunters would raze a forest to harvest the squabs. Then they'd shoot the returning adults. The birds weren't able to reproduce and a whole generation disappeared in a very short time. This was the fault of the white man, not the Indians. Commercial hunting decimated the birds.
Last edited by Rock Chuck; 09/08/21.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 21,914 Likes: 7
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 21,914 Likes: 7 |
The deforestation was a big factor in passenger pigeons
Another big factor was the destruction of nesting sites. Hunters would raze a forest to harvest the squabs. Then they'd shoot the returning adults. The birds weren't able to reproduce and a whole generation disappeared in a very short time. This was the fault of the white man, not the Indians. Commercial hunting decimated the birds. No doubt widespread commercial hunting played a role in the passenger pigeon demise. Maybe ensured it. Eventually. However. It was caused by the chestnut blight. They lost their habitat and food source.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 29,786
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 29,786 |
Very interesting thread, a good read.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 67,792 Likes: 8
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 67,792 Likes: 8 |
the characterization of the indian as a 'noble redman' is vastly over blown.
Sam......
|
|
|
|
649 members (06hunter59, 12344mag, 16gage, 10gaugemag, 160user, 12savage, 60 invisible),
2,898
guests, and
1,318
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,643
Posts18,512,351
Members74,010
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|