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Where did Arizona get a congressman in 1870?
Disease, hunting, sport all must have helped as did good iol climate change.

The deforestation was a big factor in passenger pigeons

AND. Can I get a mini mammoth to replace my pot belly pig?

Yes Native People killed many animals, some to near extinction, and continue to do so.

My Grandfathers killed thousands of Buffalo, they would go on Buffalo hunts from Saskatchewan to the Rocky Mountains.
That was their occupation, they worked for the Hudson bay company, and the North west company providing food for the employees that were drivers of the Canadian fur trade.

It is true there was a connection to the land, via the animals that provided food and clothing, they had no knowledge of the extent the damage they did to the survival of a species such as the Buffalo, how could they?

Special interest groups in the USA and Canada have discovered a soft spot, they now try to use it to destroy hunting opportunities for non Native people, I see it everyday, its all about control.

The best thing to happen to any species on this Continent is.... Science...... all species of People should try it.

Because so few are as good-looking as the Irish, of course.

Ya, us Celts killed almost as many Anglo-Saxons as we did each other 😎

Supposed to be the origin of "buck" to mean $1 as that was the going price of a nice buck's skin.

Dude.....

“.....blubber, its what’s fer dinner....”

If that ain’t true at your house then STFU......

Poser...

TLDR

.... but I see your 2500 words and I'll raise you 3000 words.

I'll leave it to others to make the call.

On these Buffalo hunts they went after the Cows for meat, the Bulls for the hide. When the Cows were targeted for superior meat, it was the beginning of the end for the Buffalo.

In Canada we have seen a similar thing in recent times, we do it everyday with other species like fish, our salmon stocks are a perfect example......man is a slow learner.

The Irish were made a bitch by anybody that seriously tried. Simply put there was nothing on that island worth having, so they left the cousin-fugkers alone for centuries lol.

Not that I disagree with you on this but still ...

Lay off the fire water ... and gfy with that a sausage.

I have zero guilt for anything my fellow white fuggers did or do.

Just another sore loser.

There’s almost no Viking DNA among the modern Irish, perhaps your guys were Gay.

This speaks of truth for sure.

On the plains the introduction of the horse made some indians more equal than others.

It sped up the buffaloes demise as well as other tribes.

They ground up the bones for bone meal for farm crops.

"my guys" include some of the speckle faced gingers according to the DNA folks. Them that wanted to took all the hot ones and left the rest, who would become what the rest of the world recognizes as Irish today.

Still, I'd rather be a potato eating papist than a Stone Age just barely can make fire Indian if given my choice lol.

When I did Ancestry.com they got us down to practically a city block in far Southwest Cork 😎

You prob’ly know that it came out they could get that specific on account of widespread fecundity on the one hand, and poverty on the other, induced three or four generations of inbreeding before the famine hit

So Ancestry.com stopped being so specific.

Hey, I’m a pedigree.

Wait, you mean the Indians running entire herds of Buffalo off cliffs had something to do with their demise???

Who would have thought???

Pine Ridge Agency, South Dakota

Another big factor was the destruction of nesting sites. Hunters would raze a forest to harvest the squabs. Then they'd shoot the returning adults. The birds weren't able to reproduce and a whole generation disappeared in a very short time. This was the fault of the white man, not the Indians. Commercial hunting decimated the birds.

No doubt widespread commercial hunting played a role in the
passenger pigeon demise. Maybe ensured it. Eventually.

However. It was caused by the chestnut blight.
They lost their habitat and food source.

Very interesting thread, a good read.

the characterization of the indian as a 'noble redman' is vastly over blown.