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These days everything is conspiratorial.
I think it is a personality trait and we have those in our own family wrapped up in such a thing.
I am double vaxed, no misgivings about this choice and just want to do my part.
I just don't agree that the tiniest of injections will have a detrimental effect.
.Like I have said before, we washed up with leaded gasoline, handled lead daily , mercury on ocassion and survived food poisioning from restaurant food. ( many times)
I live in a coal mining valley, ingested tons of the stuff.
Feel pretty well in my middle 60's . I do stay very fit, however

The truth is coming out and it will continue...
https://www.americanthinker.com/art...37Ew8FNRQFUSfOH4hzSUuP6pODDQSelLyZ2IBLxE

A person may choose to believe everything Alberta Health says if they want but they have been caught. Just like other health authorities, they have been caught and confessed. The same thing has happened in BC and even in Ontario. The governments have admitted to skewing the stats and, occasionally, apologized for lying. Only BC's Bonnie Henry has steadfastly refused to acknowledge falsehoods; even when caught in the lie. GD

Sorry, that dog don't hunt, CB.

I've heard the theories for a few years now about COVID. There haven't been any truths that have come out, only stories spun by conspiracy theorists and others.

Big business concocted COVID.
Government is in cahoots with big business.
Aliens brought it to earth.
The Illuminati did it to reduce the human population and positively affect global warming.
The US accidentally released it into the general population instead of China, their original target.
The Chinese released it into the world to take down the US and its allies.
Bill Gates thought it up as part of his world domination plan.
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Here are a few of the things we've had happen in the past 100 years. There are others.

SARS CoV1 was with us for over two years.
The Hong Kong flu was around for a couple of years from 1968 until 1970.
The Spanish flu epidemic hung around for over two years.
Other things like MERS in the Middle East are ongoing. It's been a problem for six or seven years.

Plagues and outbreaks used to last a lot longer before medicine learned about the things like sterilizing instruments, washing food, vaccines and childhood inoculations.

excerpt from Pandemics Throughout History
Jocelyne Piret and Guy Boivin

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7874133/

You would have to live under a rock not to now that covid came from China. Whether intentional or not we will never know. You continue to ignore the lies our government has been telling us for two years now. Heres just two. #1 the vaccines are safe, and #2 ivermectin doesnt work. The evidence for ivermectin is overwhelming now, and according to the CDCs own data over 16,000 Americans have died from the vaccines. The evidence is right in front of you, but you will continue to ignore it.

You can shout it louder and say it more often, CB, but it doesn't change the fact that your conspiracy theories and suspicions are without foundation.

Prove it.

I don't need to. I use the science.

Honestly CB, since you don't like the science provided by Health Canada, the provinces, the territories, the US CDC, etc., you should be providing them with your theories/references. If what you give them is of value, they will consider it.

Just another Trudeau fear mongering porn clown. sad no one believes your government lies

please list Alberta's. 3 vaccine stats as they work differently

Stats for everyone with strong natural life long immunity in Alberta . (Shots work for about 6 to 8 months) How does Alberta test everyone for natural immunity? Where are these test sites Steve?


List a chart of all of those documented not to be vaccinated in Alberta

Please document how they scientifically accumulate and monitor these stats every week

thanks

The well documented science states your immunity after two shots does does protect you from mutations and last about 6 months.

What next? Do the shots act like the measles, small pox and polio vaccines? lol

Problem with the science in this case is that the scientific opinions keep changing and our main scientist has been caught lying his ass off. If the science and the vaccines work why don't they work? And why is social media suppressing the July 27, 2015 report from the U.S. NIH published and disseminated in PubMed.gov (Dr. Faucci's org.) that clearly warns us about the danger of imperfect vaccines turning a less harmful virus into a lethal variant. Read it yourself and then try to post it on Facebook. It will be refused as abusive. Try to post on Fakebook the news that 750 GE employees in Ohio walked out over vaccine mandates. It will be rejected as abusive. I understand you are a smart man but you are being denied or ignoring full information. That might be why you believe yourself to be informed which you are clearly not. Check out Holmes county Ohio and you will find they have the lowest vaccination rate and the lowest Corona-19 rate in the state. It won't hurt you to question your own wisdom. If you are correct in all you espouse it will stand being questioned.

While I agree with you Hastings I think you are being a bit generous with the "smart man" comment. Steve cant answer your questions and he wont even try. I just got back from 6 weeks of guiding hunters and the restrictions are proving to be a killer for the hunting and fishing industry. Every outfitter i know lost 10-20% of their bookings because the clients didnt want to get the jab. Then the fact that they have to have another test before they can leave is a hurdle too. A positive test means a 14-day hotel stay. Its just to risky for a lot of people when they can eat their deposit and go to Alaska without all that baggage. Two of the guys I guided had gotten covid AFTER being double vaxxed, so it certainly doesnt stop you from getting it.

As for the safety concerns I see Iceland stopped giving Moderna to anyone. That should raise some questions by our own health officials but its obvious now that they are under strict orders to toe the line...

Let’s be clear about a few things, CB. First, Hastings didn’t ask me any questions. Second, the hunters that you guided have nothing to do with what is being discussed.

Your feeble attempts to stir the pot or add anything of value to this thread have fallen short again.

Hastings, as we go through the pandemic, the prevention and treatment recommendations will change.

The medical community learns and adapts. Because COVID-19 was new to them, they based prevention and treatment on existing methodology. Their knowledge of COVID-19 continues to grow, and treatments will evolve. It is their area of expertise, after all.

You lost all credibility with most on here a long time ago. You parrot the government, and believe everything you hear on MSM. You would do well to take Hastings advice, but thats not going to happen. The hunters i guided are just another bit of evidence that the vaccines are failing, and there is absolutely no reason to mandate a vaccine that doesnt stop you from getting or spreading covid. Anyone with any common sense can see that. People are dying because your government is refusing to use drugs that are proven to lower mortality rates by as much as 90%. You refuse to acknowledge the science, and have nothing to back up your claims. The only thing you add to any conversation is your feeble attempt to be seen as an authoritative figure on this section of the fire. News flash for ya, you're not.

yukon254: My wife and I had planned to add thousands of U.S. dollars to Canada this past August. Much to our disappointment we couldn't get in. So we caught a plane ride over Canada and spent the money in Alaska. Multiply that by many thousands and Canada has been hurt tremendously. All trying to keep out a relatively mild disease that is already in Canada. I know some rural Canadians and they seem like really good folks. I'm sure you have the same situation we do. People detached from our reality are running your country.

You cannot accept other points of view, so you resort to insults.

Common sense tells me to look to the experts, not the fringe groups or attention seekers. You said, "People are dying because your government is refusing to use drugs that are proven to lower mortality rates." It's our government, not mine.

On 5 Oct 21, Alberta Health Services posted an update on Ivermectin use. This is their conclusion. It is not the first time they have examined this drug. Any time that new evidence is found, it is revisited.

The AHS Scientific Advisory Group (SAG) and the COVID-19 Therapeutics Working Group continue to monitor new evidence on ivermectin. After review there continues to be insufficient evidence of benefit, and the previous recommendations continue to be upheld:

At this time, ivermectin should not be prescribed or taken to prevent or treat COVID-19 (outside of a clinical trial, although SAG is currently not aware of ongoing trials in Alberta).

https://www.albertahealthservices.c...reatment-and-prevention-rapid-review.pdf

It is not me who refuses to acknowledge the science. People are now showing up at hospitals because they are poisoning themselves using Ivermectin.

My wife and myself caught Covid.
That SOB was starting to go into my lungs, started on Ivermectin and it stopped the progression into my lungs the very next day.
Continued taking Ivermectin along with Vitamin D, C, and Zinc for the next 3 days, as did the wife.
The infection never did get into the Wife's lungs after starting on Ivermectin
There is no doubt in my mind that the Ivermectin stopped the Covid from spreading any further.
So ya the Government can kiss my ass with their, OH PLEASE DON"T USE IVERMECTIN, IT DOESN'T WORK BULLSHIT.

Steve,

An important detail to point out here, is that these “experts” you refer to are not doing any science. They are giving their interpretation and overview, whether justified or not, of the science. If you want to go straight to the source, the best you can do is to familiarize yourself with the body of peer-reviewed publications in scientific journals of repute (not all journals are well-respected in the scientific community). And as someone who has authored multiple peer-reviewed publications, I can tell you that even peer-reviewed science published in good journals is not flawless.

I agree that not everyone is doing the research. The information is collected and given to organizations like Health Canada. In this case, it is released by Dr. Tam. I am aware that she does not perform any of the work. There are others who collect information, studies and statistics for her and her group to analyze and present to the government and the public.

When I go searching for the latest information about COVID, I check organizations like WHO, the CDC, Health Canada and others. I also sift through the less travelled stuff. For example, the Uttar Pradesh story. The western press is reporting the benefits India saw because of ivermectin. The Indian government has removed it from their clinical guidelines however.

India, Canada, the world's universities and others have the various studies available for our review, but we expect a synopsis. It's easier to understand and digest.

https://headlinehealth.com/india-removes-ivermectin-from-covid-clinical-guidelines/

It’s important to understand that governments, NGOs, and even peer-reviewed scientific authors, are all subject to their own biases, regardless of claims to the contrary of complete objectivity.