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Re: Why not use SOA? Swifty52 #16445942 09/18/21
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,589 Northern Ca S sidepass Campfire Tracker
sidepass Campfire Tracker S Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,589 Northern Ca	Originally Posted by Swifty52 Originally Posted by sidepass Always thought it funny when spending time at the range 2 weeks before deer season. Overhearing other shooters talking among themselves about how good their rifle is shooting. So I swing my spotting scope over and have a look see and think damn , nice 4-5 inch pattern all on the edge of black on that 25 yard pistol target. Minute of deer. Yep it’s funny. 3 Sundays in a row for 26 years I would volunteer at the club for sight in days. Saw it all, but the thing that struck me most was that most maybe 95% had the worst damn bench techniques I had ever seen. Didn’t know how to read a wind flag and the most common was buying a 300 super whizzum when all the recoil they could handle was a 243. 2nd to 3rd shot they were flinching, jerking the trigger and even had one guy close his eyes in anticipation of the recoil. Had one guy say here I am tired of this after the 3rd shot, you shoot it, so I did, got it dialed in and he goes I am going to shoot twice if they land close to yours I am good to go. Plain and simple when shooting groups if you can’t read wind flags and your bench technique is sht, you are going to get sht groups. Most are over gunned. Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.

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Re: Why not use SOA? sidepass #16445954 09/18/21
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana
mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3	Over scoped and under practiced too.

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16446025 09/18/21
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan OP Campfire Kahuna
OP DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Honest, I have never in my life shot a 1/2" group at 100 yds. Little smaller, little bigger. Question that comes to mind, if you shoot a group that is .386" how do you describe it as MOA....what fraction? No, you don't, 'cause .386" is easier to say. In any case, SOA is a smaller fraction and therefore more precise when rounded. So, 50 yards.... The one on the left is...20 SOA or .34 MOA 10.7 SOA or , uh, .18 MOA? 100 yards...26.47 SOA or "a little less than a half inch." Just some thoughts and I hope you somehow forgot about COVID/BIDEN/HARRIS/China for a few minutes. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16446029 09/18/21
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,101 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger
gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,101 Annapolis, Md.	"A rose by any other name is but a rose." "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Why not use SOA? gnoahhh #16446106 09/18/21
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan OP Campfire Kahuna
OP DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Shussss.... But my rose is smaller than yours. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

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Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16446152 09/18/21
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,101 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger
gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,101 Annapolis, Md.	Let's take it a step further and denote group sizes by smell. "Manure sized", "dead cat sized", "baking bread sized", "first girlfriend's aroma sized", "rack of ribs on a grill sized", etc. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Why not use SOA? Blacktailer #16446168 09/18/21
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,810 Likes: 1 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,810 Likes: 1 Southern Oregon USA	Originally Posted by Blacktailer Ha! I've fired some 1/4" groups. Then I moved the target from the 25 yard line... yeah, I do that all the time... Then when there are not a lot of people at the range, I go place the target at the 300 yds mark and put my name on it, and the date... it is sorta funny, because no one takes it down for a week or two... I also do tons of MOA groups at 300 yds, almost every time with a single shot... That is how most internet heroes accomplish such impressive feats.... Learned that from Big Schtick. "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC “Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16446179 09/18/21
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,810 Likes: 1 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,810 Likes: 1 Southern Oregon USA	Originally Posted by DigitalDan Honest, I have never in my life shot a 1/2" group at 100 yds. Little smaller, little bigger. Question that comes to mind, if you shoot a group that is .386" how do you describe it as MOA....what fraction? No, you don't, 'cause .386" is easier to say. In any case, SOA is a smaller fraction and therefore more precise when rounded. So, 50 yards.... The one on the left is...20 SOA or .34 MOA 10.7 SOA or , uh, .18 MOA? 100 yards...26.47 SOA or "a little less than a half inch." Just some thoughts and I hope you somehow forgot about COVID/BIDEN/HARRIS/China for a few minutes. Was this post the math final Dan? If so I sure failed that one... however I really did enjoy those Blue Dot Groups... I've heard somewhere where some guys get some fantastic groups with that powder But then I've heard Blue Dot has killed more people at a range session than Eboli, Small Pox and Cecil B deMille movies, combined. you must be a brave and bold man! "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC “Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16446218 09/18/21
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,101 Annapolis, Md. G gnoahhh Campfire Ranger
gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,101 Annapolis, Md.	My brain is starting to hurt! "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: Why not use SOA? flintlocke #16446370 09/18/21
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger
jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	Originally Posted by flintlocke I shot an honest .264" under ideal conditions a few years ago when my eyesight was good, but then I fired the 2nd shot...damn. Well, I got it. Good one, flint. Jerry jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

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Re: Why not use SOA? gnoahhh #16446623 09/18/21
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps DigitalDan OP Campfire Kahuna
OP DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,153 Likes: 11 In the Swamps	Originally Posted by gnoahhh Let's take it a step further and denote group sizes by smell. "Manure sized", "dead cat sized", "baking bread sized", "first girlfriend's aroma sized", "rack of ribs on a grill sized", etc. OK, The .22 RF group above is one half baby fart size. That work? I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: Why not use SOA? Swifty52 #16447031 09/18/21
Joined: Jun 2019 Posts: 2,517 TRexF16 Campfire Regular
TRexF16 Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2019 Posts: 2,517	Originally Posted by Swifty52 Originally Posted by Exchipy With all the talk of sub-MOA shooting results, these days, I believe you are on to something. A one inch group at 200 yards could then be described as 30 SOA, eh? Looks like your math is no better than your ability to teach stupid things on the 1911. Swifty, I am trying to understand your point about the math. I'll give y'all the benefit of the doubt that maybe you know each other and you are just busting his chops with the language. But since there are 60 seconds in a minute, that means 60 SOA = 1 MOA, or, 30 SOA = 1/2 MOA. So why wouldn't a one inch group at 200 yards be about 30 SOA? What am I missing? (Of course we know that 1/2 MOA at 200 yards is actually 1.047", not 1.00", but I don't think that's your point) Standing by for some learning, Rex

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16447045 09/18/21
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 14,488 North Texas RiverRider Campfire Outfitter
RiverRider Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 14,488 North Texas	Originally Posted by DigitalDan Originally Posted by gnoahhh Let's take it a step further and denote group sizes by smell. "Manure sized", "dead cat sized", "baking bread sized", "first girlfriend's aroma sized", "rack of ribs on a grill sized", etc. OK, The .22 RF group above is one half baby fart size. That work? That depends on how much you like the smell of baby farts. That's all relative, I suppose. Don't be the darkness. America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.

Re: Why not use SOA? denton #16448020 09/19/21
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15,885 Likes: 1 N. La. Oldman03 Campfire Ranger
Oldman03 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15,885 Likes: 1 N. La.	Originally Posted by denton I vote for reporting muzzle velocity in furlongs per fortnight. And measuring distance in 'chains'. Old Turd- Deplorable- Unrepentant Murderer- Domestic Violent Extremist Just "Campfire Riffraff and Trash" This will be my last post! Flave 1/3/21

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16448111 09/19/21
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,844 Craigmont, Idaho M mart Campfire Tracker
mart Campfire Tracker M Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,844 Craigmont, Idaho	MOA. Now SOA? You fellers are some darn fine shooters. I’m still working with MOTBSOAB. Minute of the broad side of a barn. 🥴 Chronographs, bore scopes and pattern boards have broke a lot of hearts.

Re: Why not use SOA? denton #16448356 09/19/21
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country H Hondo64d Campfire Tracker
Hondo64d Campfire Tracker H Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country	Originally Posted by denton I vote for reporting muzzle velocity in furlongs per fortnight. 😂😂😂 If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16448360 09/19/21
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana
mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,856 Likes: 3	Is that classical or relativistic speed?

Re: Why not use SOA? denton #16448412 09/19/21
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,935 Likes: 1 USA J jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana
jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,935 Likes: 1 USA	Originally Posted by denton I vote for reporting muzzle velocity in furlongs per fortnight. 🤣 LMAO Unless I screwed up 3000 FPS is 4.5454545455 furlongs per second Last edited by jwp475; 09/19/21. I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: Why not use SOA? jwp475 #16449394 09/19/21
Joined: Jun 2019 Posts: 2,517 TRexF16 Campfire Regular
TRexF16 Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2019 Posts: 2,517	Originally Posted by jwp475 Originally Posted by denton I vote for reporting muzzle velocity in furlongs per fortnight. 🤣 LMAO Unless I screwed up 3000 FPS is 4.5454545455 furlongs per second But now you have to reduce that to furlongs per fortnight!

Re: Why not use SOA? DigitalDan #16449547 09/19/21
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 5,800 Queensland Australia M mauserand9mm Campfire Tracker
mauserand9mm Campfire Tracker M Joined: May 2011 Posts: 5,800 Queensland Australia	Sub-MOA sounds better than "integer" SOA. Originally Posted by mauserand9mm Originally Posted by mauserand9mm Originally Posted by Raspy Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?

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