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Have you grown Devil horns? Lol, not yet. I'm not worried about catching covid or needing monoclonal antibodies either. Sooner or later most us will have antibodies either through vaccination or through infection, then this stupid pandemic will be over. Lol, no it won’t. It’s not going away. Covid is definitely here to stay...There’s no vaccinating it into oblivion - like the common cold, it’s here. Eventually, sure, it won’t be as difficult to overcome the symptoms for some who have had it. But, like the other flu viruses that kill people every year. Covid will get its share of the elderly, the poor of health, and those who are just unlucky and die from it. 🦫
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Have you grown Devil horns? Lol, not yet. I'm not worried about catching covid or needing monoclonal antibodies either. Sooner or later most us will have antibodies either through vaccination or through infection, then this stupid pandemic will be over. Lol, no it won’t. It’s not going away. Covid is definitely here to stay...There’s no vaccinating it into oblivion - like the common cold, it’s here. Eventually, sure, it won’t be as difficult to overcome the symptoms for some who have had it. But, like the other flu viruses that kill people every year. Covid will get its share of the elderly, the poor of health, and those who are just unlucky and die from it. 🦫 It won’t be near as bad if we can get the governments stranglehold off early treatment options.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Have you grown Devil horns? Lol, not yet. I'm not worried about catching covid or needing monoclonal antibodies either. Sooner or later most us will have antibodies either through vaccination or through infection, then this stupid pandemic will be over. It doesn't appear that the antibodies from Vaccination are lasting very long...........#followthescience #thirdshot
Paul
"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D.
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molɔ̀ːn labé skýla
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Have you grown Devil horns? Lol, not yet. I'm not worried about catching covid or needing monoclonal antibodies either. Sooner or later most us will have antibodies either through vaccination or through infection, then this stupid pandemic will be over. It doesn't appear that the antibodies from Vaccination are lasting very long...........#followthescience #thirdshot [sarc]But the FFA said know third shot....[/sarc] Third of the same stuff? LOL
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
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Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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Bomber is hell bent on demonstrating his ignorance.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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It won’t be near as bad if we can get the governments stranglehold off early treatment options.
This.
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Colo. has a pretty high vaccinated rate, how ever there was a news story earlier this month that showed a graph of breakthrough cases compared to unvaccinated cases and when a guy added up the breakthrough cases of those that had any one of the 3 "vaccines", those numbers were about equal to the "unvaccinated" cases. Apparently the local docs were struggling to give a good reason for the high breakthrough case rate.
Of course they were blaming the unvaccinated for passing the covid to the protected.
Surely it won't be long before someone, some doctor, will admit that those vaccinated can indeed pass the covid on to others that are also vaccinated. It's not rocket science.
Laws aren't preventative measures. In other words, more laws won't prevent gun crime from happening.
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The only vaccine in history that only works for the recipients if everyone else gets it. Of course, that's BS. It doesn't work even if everyone receives it, because it's not even designed to work, unless "work" means depopulation of the planet.
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No [bleep].
And that’s precisely what squidge said; and what you attempted to correct him on. Squidge implied that the technology was not approved. It has been for a long time. It's a mere technicality that it hasn't had time yet to be specifically approved for this specific virus. This is quite a distinct situation from that of mRNA vaccines as treatments for viruses. In fact, efforts were made to obtain said approval for mRNA technology in the early 2000s for treatment of SARS-1, but they abandoned the work when they couldn't get through the animal phase of testing without killing most of the test animals. It was only able to be introduced for COVID-19 under EUA when they were told they could skip the animal studies this time, and jump right to the human trials. We are currently in the human trials. The whole human race are filling in for the test animals this time. You're mistaken TRH, all three current covid vaccines have gone through animal trials without any significant safety concerns. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IKPosts claiming that COVID-19 vaccine producers skipped animal trials due to the animals in those trials dying are false. Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, which have been granted emergency authorization use by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States, all conducted animal trials and had no significant safety concerns to report. An FDA spokesperson told Reuters via email that the claims that the vaccines had skipped animal trials due to animal death was untrue. None had significant safety issues to report in their respective animal trials, as seen under “5.3 Non-Clinical Studies” sections of the EUAs for Pfizer-BioNTech here , Moderna here and Johnson & Johnson here.
Due to time constraints and the urgency to find a vaccine for COVID-19, Moderna and Pfizer did receive approval to run animal testing and early trials on humans at the same time, as opposed to fully completing animal trials before moving on to human trials. This, however, does not mean animal trials were skipped or that the safety of the vaccines were compromised (here , here , here).
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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There was no time for animal studies, so I find your sources suspect.
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"As they race to test an experimental coronavirus vaccine, researchers aren’t waiting to see how well it prevents infection in animals before trying it in people, breaking from the usual protocol. “I don’t think proving this in an animal model is on the critical path to getting this to a clinical trial,” said Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna, a Cambridge, Mass.-based biotech that has produced a Covid-19 vaccine candidate at record speed. He told STAT that scientists at the National Institutes of Health are “working on nonclinical research in parallel.” Meanwhile, the clinical trial started recruiting healthy participants in the first week of March. That isn’t how vaccine testing normally happens. Regulators require that a manufacturer show a product is safe before it goes into people, and while it isn’t enshrined in law, researchers almost always check that a new concoction is effective in lab animals before putting human volunteers at potential risk. “This is very unusual,” explained Akiko Iwasaki, a Yale University microbiologist who studies the immune response to viruses. “It reflects the urgency to develop vaccines to counter the Covid-19 pandemic.”" Link
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There was no time for animal studies, so I find your sources suspect. Put up or shut up regarding your bullshit claim that there were no animal studies done on the current covid vaccines. Animal trials were done in conjunction with human trials to speed up the process.
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Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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There was no time for animal studies, so I find your sources suspect. Put up or shut up regarding your bullshit claim that there were no animal studies done on the current covid vaccines. Look up.
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Last edited by Squidge; 09/20/21.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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