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I don't have a Creed.... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/kJbhrjK.jpg)
I am..........disturbed.
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Well, the creed and prc combined with the 143gr eld x, is the claim to fame hunting wise. Compare it to the 7mm08 150 or 162gr eld x.
Creed will get around 2750 fps, prc will get around 2950.
7mm08 will get over 3000 with the 150 and over 2800 with the 162 eld x.
Kent None of my Tikkas will do what you claim. I get 2790 with 150 eldx and nowhere near 2800 with the 162.
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The 6.5 CM was designed by Dennis DeMille for over-the-course matches at 200, 300, and 600 yards where 80 shots are fired in a single day and if just one of them is 1/4" farther from the center, you might lose the match.
For any other situation, especially hunting large game, the 30-06 beats it.
If you can't tolerate 30-06 recoil, you don't know how to hold the rifle.
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I don't even have a 243 anymore, only regret is it was a 788 and I was stupid to sell it.
I used to have in order...
308 only rifle for 17 years sav99 and it killed lots of deer.
3006 when I had my first rifle elk hunt, it's killed a truck load from family and friends, most my elk have been with a bow.
243 killed quite a few coues deer.
270 killed coues and an elk.
7mm mouser, heavy interarms, wife liked shooting it off the bench.
338mag also killed a bunch of elk as a loaner, 4 elk the first year I had it. Gave it to my nephew, he killed his first elk with it when he was 12.
30 30 just because.
7mag killed a few elk and coues
7 weatherby mag, didn't kill anything with it it killed worse than a 300mag.
7mm08, lighter tikka, it's killed a bunch of stuff, last year my brother's elk and wife's muley.
Pared it down to the 7mm08, 308, 3006, 30 30 about 10 years ago, almost exclusively use the 7mm08 with 120gr BTs for everything.
Last year bought my first 22 centerfire rifles, a 222 and 22-250 in 788 and a savage edge in 223 I bought mostly for the varix III it had on it... all for the grandkids to shoot as they get bigger.
I do have a TC hawkens 50 cal, and don't pretend I'm an expert.
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Well, the creed and prc combined with the 143gr eld x, is the claim to fame hunting wise. Compare it to the 7mm08 150 or 162gr eld x.
Creed will get around 2750 fps, prc will get around 2950.
7mm08 will get over 3000 with the 150 and over 2800 with the 162 eld x.
Kent None of my Tikkas will do what you claim. I get 2790 with 150 eldx and nowhere near 2800 with the 162. What powder do you use? It's published data. I don't shoot elds but loads for my Tikka shoot dead nuts as published for the bullets I shoot behind H4895, big game and 6.5 staball. I imagine the elds will also. Kent
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Well, the creed and prc combined with the 143gr eld x, is the claim to fame hunting wise. Compare it to the 7mm08 150 or 162gr eld x.
Creed will get around 2750 fps, prc will get around 2950.
7mm08 will get over 3000 with the 150 and over 2800 with the 162 eld x.
Kent None of my Tikkas will do what you claim. I get 2790 with 150 eldx and nowhere near 2800 with the 162. What powder do you use? It's published data. I don't shoot elds but loads for my Tikka shoot dead nuts as published for the bullets I shoot behind H4895, big game and 6.5 staball. I imagine the elds will also. Kent 46.2 grains Big Game for the 150. Where is the published data showing 3000+ for the 150 from a 22.4” barrel? The same for 2800 with a 162? I’d love to see it.
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Hodgdon site
162 amax
Winchester StaBALL 6.5 0.284" 2.875" 42.5 2,490 39,500 PSI 47.8 2,821 59,000 PSI
150 sierra
Winchester StaBALL 6.5 0.284" 2.800" 43.6 2,628 43,100 PSI 48.5 2,908 58,900 PSI
My tikka shoots 5 ft slower than published data on the powders I've used.
And you're right I meant to compare the 143 eld to the 139 sst I use and get 3000 fps and screwed it up.
2900 from the 150s is good though.
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Hodgdon site
162 amax
Winchester StaBALL 6.5 0.284" 2.875" 42.5 2,490 39,500 PSI 47.8 2,821 59,000 PSI
150 sierra
Winchester StaBALL 6.5 0.284" 2.800" 43.6 2,628 43,100 PSI 48.5 2,908 58,900 PSI
My tikka shoots 5 ft slower than published data on the powders I've used.
And you're right I meant to compare the 143 eld to the 139 sst I use and get 3000 fps and screwed it up.
2900 from the 150s is good though.
Kent 24” barrel in their data. I did a lot of research when Sta-ball came out. I haven’t used it myself as I’m more than happy with Big Game, but no one I’ve read has gotten the velocities Hodgdon claims. P
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24 in in prc data, that's the comparison
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Well, the creed and prc combined with the 143gr eld x, is the claim to fame hunting wise. Compare it to the 7mm08 150 or 162gr eld x.
Creed will get around 2750 fps, prc will get around 2950.
7mm08 will get over 3000 with the 150 and over 2800 with the 162 eld x.
Kent None of my Tikkas will do what you claim. I get 2790 with 150 eldx and nowhere near 2800 with the 162. What powder do you use?
It's published data.I don't shoot elds but loads for my Tikka shoot dead nuts as published for the bullets I shoot behind H4895, big game and 6.5 staball. I imagine the elds will also. Kent Can you post this published data that pushes a 150gr bullet to +3000fps in a 7mm-08? I know Hodgdon/Winchester claims their new StaBall 6.5 will push a 150gr to 2908fps, but that's no where close to +3000. Couple that with actual test results from handloaders and Hodgdon's velocity claims with their new powder are more in line with wishful thinking than reality. I did some shooting today with StaBALL 6.5 in the 7mm-08. I loaded 120 TTSX, 120 ballistic tip, 140 fusion and 150 AccuBond. All loads were with Hornady brass, and wlr primer. The rifle was a stainless ruger American 22” barrel. I did the usual treatment with working up loads and worked up to max looking for signs of pressure and looking for accuracy. I’ll say that this rifle is a bit picky with what it likes. I have a ruger American compact that shoots everything well but the one I shot today is a different animal.
Listed max with a 120gr bullet is 53gr
120 ballistic tip 2.80 col. 53gr got 3,037 FPS with no sign of pressure. Best accuracy at 52gr @ 2,934 3 shots at .27”! Need to look further into that load.
120 TTSX 2.78 col. 53gr got 3,052 FPS. With no pressure sign. Best accuracy was at 53gr. 5 shots @ .98”
Max for 140 is 48.5 but max for 139 is 51 and 145 is also 51. So I chose to try loading up to 51gr
140 fusion 2.8 col. 51 gr got 2,843 FPS. With no signs of pressure. Best accuracy was at 51gr @ .64” 5 shot group! Need to look further into this load.
Max for 150 bullets is lasted at 49.2 for 150 ttsx and 48.5 for 150 SIE HPBT. I tried loading up to 48.5 for a 150 AccuBond.
150 Accubond 2.80 col. I started seeing signs of pressure early and at 47.5gr @ 2,713 I was getting ejector marks and a stiff bolt lift so I didn’t go any further. Accuracy was terrible across all loads.
I know I used different components and had a 22” barrel but I came up pretty short of Winchester’s velocities. Although the velocity was less than expected some of the loads showed promising accuracy. I’ll have to reshoot the 120 ballistic tip and 140 fusion. Those are really good groups for this rifle. The 120 ttsx at .98” is also good but the ttsx is the one bullet that almost always shoots well in this rifle so .98 is pretty normal.
With a 7-08 with 21" barrel shooting the 150 eldx I got slight ejector marks and stiffer bolt lift at 47.5 gr @ 2772 fps. I shot 48.0 gr which went 2807 fps with a heavier ejector mark and noticeably harder to cam bolt and stopped at that point. Anyone else try Staball 6.5 in the 7MM-08?
It look like most people are coming up pretty slow compared to what the reloading data suggests.
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I'm mildly interested in a 6.5 284...
Kent Now your getting looney. I love my Miller in 6.5X284 cut to fit the 142 Sierra Matchking. The S&B fixed 10X rounds it out. I use it when I'm feeling lazy. ...and yes that bullet does expand well. It's the only fancy rifle I own. Except for my Annie's.
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Around here thru casual conversation.
It seems to be the miracle rifle!!!!
You get the 300 pd neck beard ex mil halo4 tshirt guy.
The bulldogged truck white rimmed sunglasses type usually with those bead thing necklaces
The Billie ray bubba types, kinda a combo of both above sometimes.
The older aloof what should I buy guy at the LGS, usually waited on by one of the 3 above.
The Tacitacool ex mil dressed to the role with 201 file hats of all ages, of which I strongly suspect their time in the supply or tool room didn't involve much danger. Many have the man bun.
And the classic self admitted I cant shoot worth a fugg maybe this cure it for me guys.
And many other types ect ect ect
The overall impression of these Joel Olsteen face aglow on sunday in front of 10k believers I get is.
It is gonna make up for their lack of shooting ability cause it is the lasar miracle caliber.
I have never seen a caliber hold such a broad spectrum almost cult like appeal like the 6.5 creedmoor.
It is strange....
I really dont see what difference it makes here in TN shooting deer 75 yds away at the feeder on mee maws and pee paws " farm".
I'm expecting one of the Keeblers or outta the blue other relatives to show up on slumlords place this fall with a Biden bucks 6.5 creedmoor miracle rifle ( see catagories above) and we will have to probably listen to incredible stories of what the 6.5 creedmoor can do. Most probably 2nd hand stuff tales of incredible long range shooting precision.
Yep uh huh...
Mr. I wound 1 to 3 deer a year blind melly jelly guys...
While a dead buck that either slumlord or myself killed is in the bed of da colorado on the way out.
The 6.5 creedmoor makes up for schitty marksmanship is the mindset impression I get mostly.
It can do anything according to alot of them that I hear.
They feel a huge need to speak about their 6.5, sometimes even when you are projecting obvious " here we go again feigned interest"
And the look of disappointment on the persons face when ya dont show interest and they see you are not a fanboy is rather funny.
It is like they are seeking other 6.5 creedmoor guys to orally vulcan mind meld with and talk incredible tales of 6.5 creedmoor stuff.
"One time at 6.5 creedmoor band camp"
As far as the 6.5 creedmoor getting new people into shooting or hunting.
Or drawing more people back into shooting or hunting once again.
That is a good thing.
But I honestly am tired of the Joel Olsteen face all aglow of everything 6.5 creedmoor let me tell you about my 6.5 creedmoor types.
I know everyone who owns one is not lumped into these generalized categories I have mentioned.
But around here....
Holy schit........
They are most def the most common you run into.
A" miracle" caliber can never make up for suck azz markmanship.
But that is what the mindset is around here. The 6.5 creedmoor will out of the blue make you the best shot ever.
All from just my observations.
YMMV........
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Thanks DD, Maybe I'll sell or trade it off............  ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/4kRueqD.jpg)
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Rene, you need another cuppa Joe!  I like the 7.62x51 myself. Always hit my target even if I didn’t have sights. At least one outta six barrels was spot on, every time.
I am..........disturbed.
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Well, the creed and prc combined with the 143gr eld x, is the claim to fame hunting wise. Compare it to the 7mm08 150 or 162gr eld x.
Creed will get around 2750 fps, prc will get around 2950.
7mm08 will get over 3000 with the 150 and over 2800 with the 162 eld x.
Kent None of my Tikkas will do what you claim. I get 2790 with 150 eldx and nowhere near 2800 with the 162. What powder do you use?
It's published data.I don't shoot elds but loads for my Tikka shoot dead nuts as published for the bullets I shoot behind H4895, big game and 6.5 staball. I imagine the elds will also. Kent Can you post this published data that pushes a 150gr bullet to +3000fps in a 7mm-08? I know Hodgdon/Winchester claims their new StaBall 6.5 will push a 150gr to 2908fps, but that's no where close to +3000. Couple that with actual test results from handloaders and Hodgdon's velocity claims with their new powder are more in line with wishful thinking than reality. Already said in a following post that I screwed up saying 3000 for the 150, that's the number for hndy 139 sst that I actually load, and in prior discussions with prc pushers and have used to compare to the 143 6.5. Published data 162 @ 2800 150 @ 2900 139 @ 3000 120 @ 3200 I know guys that can't get 2800 from a 3006 and 165gr bullets, it is what it is. Kent
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It is gonna make up for their lack of shooting ability cause it is the lasar miracle caliber.
I have never seen a caliber hold such a broad spectrum almost cult like appeal like the 6.5 creedmoor.
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A" miracle" caliber can never make up for suck azz markmanship.
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Miracle "caliber" or Cartridge?
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Thanks DD, Maybe I'll sell or trade it off............ Hey, it doesn’t suck for you. You got other guns with different chambers. It amazes me that a joke post gets some of you wankers so riled up.  CHILL a little.... Please.
I am..........disturbed.
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Thanks DD, Maybe I'll sell or trade it off............ Hey, it doesn’t suck for you. You got other guns with different chambers. It amazes me that a joke post gets some of you wankers so riled up. CHILL a little.... Please. Yeah, it sometimes amazes......... It's not going anywhere!
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But wait, the prc requires magnum powders so it must be manly...
The 7mm08 still beats it though.
Kent Not Hardly. As you referenced the 150gr bullet and published load data, check out Nosler Data. Both tested with 26 inch barrels. Max velocity for the 6.5 PRC with 150gr bullet = 3077fps Max velocity for the 7mm-08 with 150gr Bullet = 2867fps Ramshot data 24 inch barrels both. 7mm-08 150gr Sierra MK = 2817fps 6.5 PRC 147gr bullet = 2937fps I still don't see how you make the claim that the 08 beats the PRC, even with Hodgdon's inflated velocities with StaBall 6.5
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I like the 44 special and the 45-90.
I am MAGA.
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