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Biden likes wolves #16455487 09/21/21
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I doubt he can tell a wolf from a Pomeranian but the official statement is that they might need to put them back on the endangered list. This is in spite of the fact that wolf numbers are increasing rapidly. There's nothing endangered about them.


BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) — The Biden administration said Wednesday that federal protections may need to be restored for gray wolves in the western U.S. after Republican-backed state laws made it much easier to kill the predators.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service initial determination that the region’s wolves could again be in peril — after decades spent restoring them — will kick off a year-long biological review.

It marks an abrupt turnaround for the federal wildlife agency and brought a swift pushback from Montana’s Republican governor, who said officials in Washington shouldn’t be “second guessing” the state’s wildlife policies.

Federal officials had spent years in court defending their decisions on wolves, including under Biden and dating back to the Obama administration, when wolves were returned to state jurisdiction in the six-state Northern Rockies, opening the door to hunting for the first time in decades.

Former President Donald Trump’s administration lifted protections across most of the remainder of the U.S. in his last days in office.

But the deference given by federal officials to state wildlife agencies is now being tested. Republican lawmakers in Montana and Idaho are intent on culling more wolf packs, which are blamed for periodic attacks on livestock and reducing elk and deer herds that many hunters prize.

The states’ Republican governors in recent months signed into law measures that expanded when, where and how wolves can be killed. That raised alarm among Democrats, former wildlife officials and advocacy groups that said increased hunting pressure could cut wolf numbers to unsustainable levels.

The Humane Society of the U.S., Center for Biological Diversity and other groups had filed legal petitions asking federal officials to intervene.

The Fish and Wildlife Service said Wednesday the petitions provided “credible and substantial information that increased human-caused mortality in Idaho and Montana may pose a threat to wolves” across the western region.

Wilderness areas in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming are strongholds for wolf populations, helping fuel their expansion in recent years into portions of Oregon, Washington state, California and Colorado.

The agency rejected a request to restore protections immediately. But it said the groups provided enough information to justify a year-long review of whether wolves warrant re-listing under the Endangered Species Act, which is for plants and animals considered at risk of extinction.

Center for Biological Diversity attorney Andrea Zaccardi said advocates welcomed the review but added that wolves were “under the gun now” and need protections right away.

“We are concerned that a lot of wolves could be wiped out while undertaking a year-long review,” she said.

Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte said the state had been effectively managing its wolves, crafting regulations from the newly enacted laws to make sure wolf populations remain sustainable.

“We don’t need Washington coming in and second-guessing our science-based approach,” Gianforte said in a statement.

Gianforte trapped and killed a wolf in February near Yellowstone National Park. He later received a warning from wildlife officials because he had failed to take a mandated trapper education course in violation of state hunting regulations.

Wolves were exterminated across most of the U.S. by the 1930s under government-sponsored poisoning and trapping campaigns. They were reintroduced from Canada into the Northern Rockies in the 1990s and expanded over the past two decades into parts of Oregon, Washington and California.

In 2011, Montana Democratic U.S. Sen. Jon Tester and Idaho Republican Rep. Mike Simpson pushed a budget rider through Congress that lifted protections for wolves after courts blocked earlier attempts.

A Tester spokesman on Wednesday called Montana’s new wolf policies “shortsighted.” Tester wants science to drive wildlife management, and he plans to closely track the results of the federal review, spokesman Roy Lowenstein said.

Dozens of American Indian tribes had asked the Biden administration on Tuesday to immediately enact emergency protections for gray wolves nationwide, saying states have become too aggressive in hunting the animals. They said wolves are culturally important to a host of tribes and accused the federal government of failing to listen to their concerns about lifting protections.

After protections were lifted in the Great Lakes in January, Wisconsin moved quickly to reduce its wolf numbers. A pro-hunting group with close ties to conservative Republicans won a court order that allowed hunters — some using hounds — to kill 218 wolves in the state in four days.

Recent changes in wolf management reflect an increasingly partisan approach to predator management in state houses dominated by Republicans.

Among the measures approved this year in Idaho, which has an estimated 1,500 wolves, was a law that provided money for the state to hire private contractors to kill the animals. The law also allows hunters to use night-vision equipment, chase wolves on snowmobiles or ATVs and shoot them from helicopters. It authorizes year-round wolf trapping on private property.

In Montana, state wildlife authorities last month approved a harvest quota of 450 wolves, about 40% of the population. Previously-outlawed killing methods can now be used, including snaring, baiting and night hunting for wolves. Trapping seasons were lengthened, and each hunter or trapper can now take up to 10 animals.

Even before the changes, Montana wildlife officials expected wolf numbers in the state to drop from around 1,150 animals to 950 or fewer, following a particularly successful hunting season over the past year.


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Re: Biden likes wolves [Re: Rock Chuck] #16455518 09/21/21
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There was a reason wolfs were wiped out in the first place.


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What is even worse is the wolves aren’t the same sub species as were originally here. Those Canadian Gray wolves are some big mofos and eat the hell out of prey in the lower 48. They’re more widespread than that article indicates as they’ve been spotted in Utah, but we are apparently too stupid to know what we’re seeing since a state wildlife biologist hasn’t. (These are the same geniuses that saw a ground squirrel and insisted it was a prairie dog then shut down my project for two months while they figured it out)

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I like woofs. Cmon man


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Killing wolves is a White Nationalist/Supremist thing - need to protect wolves from the biggest threat in the world -->> white conservative males/the Debil .


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What High Noon said! Same for coyotes!

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Wolves are cagey x10. I deal with them here a lot while trapping and hunting.
Any area that can knock out 218 wolves in 4 days certainly proves there are WAY to many wolves.

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The Democratts need the political advertising and editorial media support of the "nonprofit" billionaire-funded Left -- which includes the Center and the "Humane" idiots. You'd never imagine the money available which is laundered routinely, and almost totally anonymously, through "nonprofit" 501c3 groups. The conservative side has begun to take the same route, the problem being, the narratives on BOTH sides are anonymously funded and intended as manipulation of an ignorant electorate rather than an educated one. Those sifting through all that cash and skinning off their cut, treat voters as mushrooms. Sad part is, too many voters ARE happy to be mushrooms.


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Lots of money and jobs involved in managing and studying wolves. Easy to suck funds out of emotional city folks.

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I think wolves SHOULD be reintroduced to National Parks with great haste and in large numbers... starting with all the National Parks in DC and Northern Virginia... and other wild places (in urban centers).

Ever study maps of Chronic Wasting Disease? The Epicenter is ALWAYS a National Park where game management is nonexistent because a thousand Biologists couldn't gather consensus to tie a single shoelace amongst themselves in 6 months.

The guberment is horrific at anything wild... always has been.

In fact... if the guberment has a solution... any solution... the question was monumentally stupid to begin with.


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Wolves eat big game which the population could use to sustain themselves in the coming hard times. Since the government wants us all to take a mark to be able to buy food, of course they'll eliminate the competing alternatives.


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So do I like wolves, and not least thru a scope.

Build a fence around the Rez and drop all excess wolves into it. We'll see how "culturally important" they are then.

All of the above support to re-list wolves and the "reasons", are BS. Wolves are the most prolific breeders of any predator, world-wide. It will be nearly impossible for any state-managed program to wipe them out short of all out warfare on them. Including 1080, which would be a bad idea for collateral damage. Under the right conditions, entire packs CAN be wiped out, but it takes effort- and the area is soon recolonized from elsewhere, or from just two survivors, male and female.

IIRC, studies and programs here in Alaska has shown that to give a predator pit population (say that 3 times fast) of cervids , a chance to re-invigorate itself, about 80% of the wolf population (bear predation figures in also), must be taken out for 3-5 consecutive years. In 3 or 4 years afterward, the wolf population will be at the former pre-reduction level.

This is ALL about money (particularly for the so-called "animal rights" groups) , politics, federal usurpation of states' rights, and back door gun control for the liberal sheep donors/voters (you don't need a gun- it's for hunting- and you have no hunt-able cervid populations anymore, so you don't need guns, etc).

I too like wolves.... to a point. I would not want them extinct - but have no hesitation about shooting one if the hide is good, or "as necessry"
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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Wolves eat big game which the population could use to sustain themselves in the coming hard times. Since the government wants us all to take a mark to be able to buy food, of course they'll eliminate the competing alternatives.


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How could a Humane Society back wolf reintroduction? I wonder have any ''humane'' wolf champions ever seen canines take down a large ungulate. The herds could be culled much more efficiently and humanely by people. In the black hills they corral the excess bison every year and turn them into beef. Those elk in Yellowstone could have been culled under supervision of the very well paid park rangers without having wild canines escaping the park and pillaging the surrounding ranches and game.


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Originally Posted by las
Build a fence around the Rez and drop all excess wolves into it. We'll see how "culturally important" they are then.

All of the above support to re-list wolves and the "reasons", are BS. Wolves are the most prolific breeders of any predator, world-wide. It will be nearly impossible for any state-managed program to wipe them out short of all out warfare on them. Including 1080.

This is ALL about money (particularly for the so-called "animal rights" groups) , politics, federal usurpation of states' rights, and back door gun control for the liberal sheep donors/voters (you don't need a gun- it's for hunting- and you have no huntable cervid populations anymore, so you don't need guns, etc).

You have it figured out.


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Originally Posted by Hastings
. Those elk in Yellowstone could have been culled under supervision of the very well paid park rangers without having wild canines escaping the park and pillaging the surrounding ranches and game.


JFC do you understand the laws and regulations hooked to YNP?



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Originally Posted by callnum
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. Those elk in Yellowstone could have been culled under supervision of the very well paid park rangers without having wild canines escaping the park and pillaging the surrounding ranches and game.
JFC do you understand the laws and regulations hooked to YNP?
Yes, do you?


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Originally Posted by Hastings
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. Those elk in Yellowstone could have been culled under supervision of the very well paid park rangers without having wild canines escaping the park and pillaging the surrounding ranches and game.
JFC do you understand the laws and regulations hooked to YNP?
Yes, do you?


Ok then please post the regulation that would allow rangers to cull elk in YNP, I will wait. LOL

Eastern tenderfeet are funny as hell.



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Originally Posted by callnum
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Originally Posted by Hastings
. Those elk in Yellowstone could have been culled under supervision of the very well paid park rangers without having wild canines escaping the park and pillaging the surrounding ranches and game.
JFC do you understand the laws and regulations hooked to YNP?
Yes, do you?


Ok then please post the regulation that would allow rangers to cull elk in YNP, I will wait. LOL

Eastern tenderfeet are funny as hell.


I normally don't reply to retarded posts, but yes, Park Rangers can and have done culling programs within NPs in the past. I don't think that has changed, but it isn't worth the effort to educate the uneducated and uneducable in this instance. But I do many things that prove futile...


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