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The #1 complaint people have about handgun dots is finding the dot during the initial presentation of the gun. And you can master that with zero bullets.

Tracking the dot during recoil and shooting with an occluded optic are about the only things you need love ammo for. The first is really not a big deal since most people don’t track their irons either. The second isn’t something to practice and learn so much as it is a familiarization.


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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
The #1 complaint people have about handgun dots is finding the dot during the initial presentation of the gun. And you can master that with zero bullets.

Tracking the dot during recoil and shooting with an occluded optic are about the only things you need love ammo for. The first is really not a big deal since most people don’t track their irons either. The second isn’t something to practice and learn so much as it is a familiarization.



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I’ve gone back and forth on dots and started a dry fire training regimen to become a better shooter. A dot was highly encouraged but the only one I had left was on my 6” 686 so I started with irons. Then I tried the 686 and saw what the coach was talking about.

I pulled the dot from the 686 and put it on my Glock 45 MOS and dry fire really is the best thing to become familiar with a dot. It’ll teach you to pick the dot or your irons up earlier. It’ll teach you to track your sights be it irons or dot. It’ll show you the faults in your firing process (pull left and low or if you move to the next target before the hammer falls, the dot doesn’t lie.)

But the biggest benefit of a dot is it allows both eyes open, target focused attention and peripheral view of your surroundings. This is important whether your hunting, shooting a match or defending your life.

I have irons as backup if the dot fails but frankly I’ve seen more irons fail than dots.

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I shoot everything both eyes open. Always have.

Tube type red dots are IMHO easy to use
Just gotta learn to not try and peek around the dot

Reflex sights can be a bit tricky in presentation so the dot shows up .

There may be a sight that works well on handguns w easier presentation.

TFB did a review





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“ I shoot everything both eyes open. Always have.”

Yes but your focus with irons should be on the front sight and I just am more aware when I’m focusing on the targets. Maybe I didn’t explain it very well.

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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
The #1 complaint people have about handgun dots is finding the dot during the initial presentation of the gun. And you can master that with zero bullets.

Tracking the dot during recoil and shooting with an occluded optic are about the only things you need love ammo for. The first is really not a big deal since most people don’t track their irons either. The second isn’t something to practice and learn so much as it is a familiarization.



I do track my front sight. But your point is taken otherwise.

Maybe you can answer what others haven't. Does familiarization with a particular dot on one pistol translate well to the same dot on another pistol with different geometry? For instance, a Buckmark and a Shield.


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It seems all this is more for the distances in competition than the street or dark house. Maybe put the money into the ammo it will take you to hit reliably out to 15 yards point shooting.

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Originally Posted by FreeMe
Does familiarization with a particular dot on one pistol translate well to the same dot on another pistol with different geometry? For instance, a Buckmark and a Shield.


I *suspect* that switching between pistols would make a difference because I’ve noticed a difference acquiring iron sights, moving back and forth between M&Ps and Glocks. Seems like it would be the same grip-angle related problem with dots. But with irons it’s easy to overcome and not everybody has that problem.

Switching between DPPs, RMRs, SROs, and ACROs on the same pistol hasn’t been a problem. Preferences develop, but finding the dot on presentation has remained the same.

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Does familiarization with a particular dot on one pistol translate well to the same dot on another pistol with different geometry? For instance, a Buckmark and a Shield.


I *suspect* that switching between pistols would make a difference because I’ve noticed a difference acquiring iron sights, moving back and forth between M&Ps and Glocks. Seems like it would be the same grip-angle related problem with dots. But with irons it’s easy to overcome and not everybody has that problem.

Switching between DPPs, RMRs, SROs, and ACROs on the same pistol hasn’t been a problem. Preferences develop, but finding the dot on presentation has remained the same.


Thank you, Blue.


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