I'm going to accept the retired sonarman's video analysis as the best probable scenario. I was unaware of the bottom topography in that region, but if it is anything like that of Vietnam, it is a scary place to "fly" submerged. Worse, in fact, being largely uncharted.
Very good video. Once we were in a port and had orders to be available to be back aboard in one hour if necessary to go to the aid of an icebreaker that put a hole in it's hull by some uncharted rocks. It happens.
Why cannot people just deal with the known facts, or at least the currently reported facts? All we publicly know is that one of our subs struck something in the South China Sea and our sub sustained some degree of damage. We do not know if we were the striker or the strikee or maybe a combination of both. We do not know what our sub encountered - another submerged vessel, a surface vessel, a natural or man-made sub-surface object/structure, or maybe an alien sub-sea craft. Maybe it was Godzilla or some other sea monster? Depending on the circumstances, we may never publicly know the circumstances of the incident. It is a real possibility that the circumstances should remain secret from public knowledge, or not. Not my call as I am not in that chain of command. Sure, I am curious as well, but I understand that there are some things I do not need to know. Naval submarine operations are by nature somewhat clandestine. They are the "silent service".
"...why, land is the only thing in the world worth working for, worth fighting for, worth dying for,... because it is the only thing that lasts."
There are a lot of sub mishaps, thankfully most don't result in heavy damage and loss of life. Some with the sub tied up and not at fault, and some are just down right funny...
Like this one, when in doubt, keep going, and ad power. If that still doesn't work... ad more power.
On 23 April 1984, ASR-13 Kittiwake a sub rescue vessel collided with the attack submarine USS Bergall (SSN-667) at Norfolk, Virginia, while Bergall was moored to the pier astern of her. Kittiwake was getting underway for the first time since she had undergone maintenance, during which her main drive motor was re-wired improperly, causing it and the screw it drove to rotate in the opposite direction from that ordered by personnel on Kittiwake's bridge. This was unknown to Kittiwake's bridge personnel, who found that Kittiwake started to move astern when they were expecting her to move forward. Noting the backward motion, they ordered an increase in the motor drive speed in order to correct it and get Kittiwake moving forward, but unwittingly caused Kittiwake to move farther astern and at a higher speed. Still not realizing that Kittiwake's main drive motor was operating in reverse of what they expected, Kittiwake's bridge personnel then ordered another increase in Kittiwake's forward speed, which served only to increase her speed astern. This continued until Kittiwake's stern backed into Bergall's sonar dome, causing damage to the Bergall's sonar dome and the USS Kittiwake's propeller.
Only thing I’m sure of is that the Captain’s career is over. I have friends I’m that community and the only thing they are saying is that the sub is a mess. Whatever they hit or got hit by it was a hard hit.
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Conspiracy theorists are the ones who see it all coming…
Only thing I’m sure of is that the Captain’s career is over. I have friends I’m that community and the only thing they are saying is that the sub is a mess. Whatever they hit or got hit by it was a hard hit.
Maybe yes,maybe no.The XO of the last boat I was on dad was an Admiral.While docked in Key West for some reason he had the interlock on the torpedo tubes defeated in the forward torpedo room.He then had the inner door opened with the outer door open.Almost sank the boat at the dock.The episode was squelched.Still every one in New London managed to know.He was an idiot.Could have a relative of Slo Joe.
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
There are a lot of sub mishaps, thankfully most don't result in heavy damage and loss of life. Some with the sub tied up and not at fault, and some are just down right funny...
Like this one, when in doubt, keep going, and ad power. If that still doesn't work... ad more power.
On 23 April 1984, ASR-13 Kittiwake a sub rescue vessel collided with the attack submarine USS Bergall (SSN-667) at Norfolk, Virginia, while Bergall was moored to the pier astern of her. Kittiwake was getting underway for the first time since she had undergone maintenance, during which her main drive motor was re-wired improperly, causing it and the screw it drove to rotate in the opposite direction from that ordered by personnel on Kittiwake's bridge. This was unknown to Kittiwake's bridge personnel, who found that Kittiwake started to move astern when they were expecting her to move forward. Noting the backward motion, they ordered an increase in the motor drive speed in order to correct it and get Kittiwake moving forward, but unwittingly caused Kittiwake to move farther astern and at a higher speed. Still not realizing that Kittiwake's main drive motor was operating in reverse of what they expected, Kittiwake's bridge personnel then ordered another increase in Kittiwake's forward speed, which served only to increase her speed astern. This continued until Kittiwake's stern backed into Bergall's sonar dome, causing damage to the Bergall's sonar dome and the USS Kittiwake's propeller.
Phil
No worries. The military industrial complex has lots of sonar domes. LOL
I am pretty sure no one on here knows what happened onboard the Connecticut. Someday in the future we may, but after a Navy inquiry and it’s declassified. These new boats can travel fast and do not turn or stop on a dime. The simplest answer might be the right one. Charts have never been close to 100% in the open sea. They are better now than ever, but still subject to missed underwater obstacles especially in the pacific rim area. Underwater volcano’s and upheavals are quite common.The sea floor there is active and subject to change. The SCS is a busy place, lots of entity’s jockeying for position. I was in the Navy aboard submarines as a Quartermaster in the years ‘64-68. Spent almost 12 months in and around the South China Sea on a diesel boat. Then later, three patrols on a boomer in the North Atlantic. It is fun to think about it like a Tom Clancy novel and maybe it will be a chapter in one someday. For the brave men that go to sea in submarines, no matter what happened, it was their worst nightmare. I hope all are well and the boat can be repaired and return to sea to protect us all.
Only thing I’m sure of is that the Captain’s career is over. I have friends I’m that community and the only thing they are saying is that the sub is a mess. Whatever they hit or got hit by it was a hard hit.
Maybe yes,maybe no.The XO of the last boat I was on dad was an Admiral.While docked in Key West for some reason he had the interlock on the torpedo tubes defeated in the forward torpedo room.He then had the inner door opened with the outer door open.Almost sank the boat at the dock.The episode was squelched.Still every one in New London managed to know.He was an idiot.Could have a relative of Slo Joe.
Why cannot people just deal with the known facts, or at least the currently reported facts? All we publicly know is that one of our subs struck something in the South China Sea and our sub sustained some degree of damage. We do not know if we were the striker or the strikee or maybe a combination of both. We do not know what our sub encountered - another submerged vessel, a surface vessel, a natural or man-made sub-surface object/structure, or maybe an alien sub-sea craft. Maybe it was Godzilla or some other sea monster? Depending on the circumstances, we may never publicly know the circumstances of the incident. It is a real possibility that the circumstances should remain secret from public knowledge, or not. Not my call as I am not in that chain of command. Sure, I am curious as well, but I understand that there are some things I do not need to know. Naval submarine operations are by nature somewhat clandestine. They are the "silent service".
I'm hoping it was a Godzilla egg tgat hatched and washed ashore mainland China.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
Only thing I’m sure of is that the Captain’s career is over. I have friends I’m that community and the only thing they are saying is that the sub is a mess. Whatever they hit or got hit by it was a hard hit.
Maybe yes,maybe no.The XO of the last boat I was on dad was an Admiral.While docked in Key West for some reason he had the interlock on the torpedo tubes defeated in the forward torpedo room.He then had the inner door opened with the outer door open.Almost sank the boat at the dock.The episode was squelched.Still every one in New London managed to know.He was an idiot.Could have a relative of Slo Joe.
The peace time military is NOT a meritocracy.
Is your statment (or any of the other posts you made in this thread) base on experience? Or just some random bullchit you read somewhere?
Intellectual honesty is the most important character trait in human beings.
Only thing I’m sure of is that the Captain’s career is over. I have friends I’m that community and the only thing they are saying is that the sub is a mess. Whatever they hit or got hit by it was a hard hit.
Maybe yes,maybe no.The XO of the last boat I was on dad was an Admiral.While docked in Key West for some reason he had the interlock on the torpedo tubes defeated in the forward torpedo room.He then had the inner door opened with the outer door open.Almost sank the boat at the dock.The episode was squelched.Still every one in New London managed to know.He was an idiot.Could have a relative of Slo Joe.
