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Originally Posted by alpinecrick

The shorter the barrel the closer the muzzle blast is to your ears and face--that's simple physics. Usually it translates into greater perceived muzzle blast, and I think it can contribute to flinching or anticipating the shot. My observation is this may be especially true with youngsters first starting out on centerfires. I have a 25" bbl 270 and several 22" bbl 270's. Same bullet and powder are a bit louder with the 22". And I wear plugs AND muffs at the range.

It must have been a thing in the 90's, because twice I guided clients with short barreled 300 Wthby's. A guy hasn't lived until he experiences the muzzle blast of a 20" bbl 300 Wthby....


Truth.

I watched a youngster shoot a rather short barreled 243 and it didn't kick him hard but he was greatly put off by the blast. It was bad. Yes, he had hearing protection.

It wouldn't surprise me if he developed a long lasting flinch.


Forgot to mention not only is the muzzle closer, the exit pressure is higher too. Double whammy.

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Originally Posted by alpinecrick

It must have been a thing in the 90's, because twice I guided clients with short barreled 300 Wthby's. A guy hasn't lived until he experiences the muzzle blast of a 20" bbl 300 Wthby....


Those are just nasty in general. A friend of mine has a 300 Weatherby with a muzzle brake on it, and it makes my teeth hurt standing 10 feet behind him when he touches that thing off.

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Try being a couple of benches to the side of a 30-378 with a Swiss cheese muzzle brake.

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Hard pass. 😬

I quit shooting at the nearest range to me because guys shooting muzzle brake fitted .950 SuperExploder Magnums was becoming more and more common, and that range has concrete overhead baffles. Hard to focus when your boots are getting blown off your feet every 10 seconds.

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I was next to a 338 Lapua with a shark gill brake and it was quite pleasant compared to the 30-378.

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Short barrels suck, end of story. Mb


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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Short barrels suck, end of story. Mb

I'm not entirely sure about that. These were shot from a 16" barrel Henry carbine with open sights at 50yds. It isn't unpleasantly loud out in the field, and it's easy handling in thick spots. It does make a pretty good flash in low light, though.

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Powder, the OP asked for "thoughts on short barreled hunting rifles". I expressed mine you don't have to like it , got it? Mb


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Below is a lineup I had over 30 years ago - from top to bottom, 1957 Savage 99 EG 24” 308 Win, Ruger 77 RS 19” bbl. 358 Win, Ruger 77 RSI 18.5” 7x57, Ruger 77 RSI 18.5” 250 Savage, Ruger 77/22 20” 22lr.

Brought the show and tell to point out I’m obviously not averse to carbines, but I was also younger then. Now I value my hearing as much as I should have then, and no longer own a carbine anything. In fact, the last short barreled rifle I had was a 21” M70 30-06 I built in 2004, and that’s as short as I’d ever go with any cartridge, barring the 22lr.

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You sound unsure of yourself, señor Roberto.

Sort of fail to see how cloverleafing with irons qualifies as sucking, though 🤔 Not sure I got whatever point you were trying to make with that magnificently eloquent post, beyond maybe instigation.

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Originally Posted by Brad
Below is a lineup I had over 30 years ago - from top to bottom, 1957 Savage 99 EG 24” 308 Win, Ruger 77 RS 19” bbl. 358 Win, Ruger 77 RSI 18.5” 7x57, Ruger 77 RSI 18.5” 250 Savage, Ruger 77/22 20” 22lr.

Brought the show and tell to point out I’m obviously not averse to carbines, but I was also younger then. Now I value my hearing as much as I should have then, and no longer own a carbine anything. In fact, the last short barreled rifle I had was a 21” M70 30-06 I built in 2004, and that’s as short as I’d ever go with any cartridge, barring the 22lr.

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Those full length stock 77s are pretty. How "blasty" was that 358? I'm sort of kicking around the idea of building a shorter (18-20" barrel) 35 cal on a Savage 99 one of these days.

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The shorter the better

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I have never owned a short barrel rifle but as most of us I shoot what I prefer.


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Originally Posted by zcm82
You sound unsure of yourself, señor Roberto.

Sort of fail to see how cloverleafing with irons qualifies as sucking, though 🤔 Not sure I got whatever point you were trying to make with that magnificently eloquent post, beyond maybe instigation.

Not unsure at all both my m94 Marlins precrossbolt models in 357 and 44 easily shoot at 50 yds like that with select loads of course. Like Brad said I value what little hearing I have left. I have a right to my opinion and short barrels suck. Got it? Powdr solicited our opinions he didn't ask for a bunch of head nodding and jumping on the [bleep] wagon to be part of the crowd. I think short barrels suck got it? Mb


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Originally Posted by erich
I had/have a Sav.99 in 308 with 16 1/4" barrel that is a handi little devil. I killed a number of deer with it, my best still hunting was three before noon one day. My nephew was the recipient of the rifle to kill his first deer and for the last 25 years also. I wear ear protection when sighting it and never noticed the sound when killing something with it. I bought it for a C-note in the parking lot of a gun show, one of my better purchases.

I packed a Rem 600 in 223 with a 18" barrel doing control work and varmint hunting long enough to wear out the barrel still shoot it with a 20" 6x45 tube on it.

I have a little Mini Howa in 6.5G with a 20" tube that is really handi hunting coyote on the MC along with a 16" barreled 223 AR, it isn't the barrel that kills the critter it's the bullet that comes out the end of it.
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A Mannlicher stocked 18" barreled Mini Mauser in 6.5G would be just a handi little rig and really pretty to boot. I wouldn't turn down one of the little Ruger 77 RSI's as a hunter.


Great minds think alike smile That's a cut down Howa mini in the scabbard. 16 1/4" barrel is very handy and the Grendel performs great in a short barrel.

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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
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You sound unsure of yourself, señor Roberto.

Sort of fail to see how cloverleafing with irons qualifies as sucking, though 🤔 Not sure I got whatever point you were trying to make with that magnificently eloquent post, beyond maybe instigation.

Not unsure at all both my m94 Marlins precrossbolt models in 357 and 44 easily shoot at 50 yds like that with select loads of course. Like Brad said I value what little hearing I have left. I have a right to my opinion and short barrels suck. Got it? Powdr solicited our opinions he didn't ask for a bunch of head nodding and jumping on the [bleep] wagon to be part of the crowd. I think short barrels suck got it? Mb


Not sure I got it, maybe you should keep asking.

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I have a Model 70 with a 18" barrel i a full length stock I really like, even with a bit of muzzle blast and extra recoil. My only other short barreled "rifle" is a Comtemder with a carbine stock and 14" .44 mag barrel- but I have a suppressor on that one that reduces both blast and recoil - especially with sub-sonic loads. My favorite "hog rifle".

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Originally Posted by weagle
Originally Posted by erich
I had/have a Sav.99 in 308 with 16 1/4" barrel that is a handi little devil. I killed a number of deer with it, my best still hunting was three before noon one day. My nephew was the recipient of the rifle to kill his first deer and for the last 25 years also. I wear ear protection when sighting it and never noticed the sound when killing something with it. I bought it for a C-note in the parking lot of a gun show, one of my better purchases.

I packed a Rem 600 in 223 with a 18" barrel doing control work and varmint hunting long enough to wear out the barrel still shoot it with a 20" 6x45 tube on it.

I have a little Mini Howa in 6.5G with a 20" tube that is really handi hunting coyote on the MC along with a 16" barreled 223 AR, it isn't the barrel that kills the critter it's the bullet that comes out the end of it.
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A Mannlicher stocked 18" barreled Mini Mauser in 6.5G would be just a handi little rig and really pretty to boot. I wouldn't turn down one of the little Ruger 77 RSI's as a hunter.


Great minds think alike smile That's a cut down Howa mini in the scabbard. 16 1/4" barrel is very handy and the Grendel performs great in a short barrel.

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Never been a fan of short barrels but I'm tall with long arms so barrels or 24"+ seem normal to me. I like 24' for non-mags and 26" for small bore mags, 24" for anything over 7mm. The primary thing I notice with short barrels is the balance is to the rear of the rifle and the barrel tends to float, not settle on the target as quickly. If I were going short for a box stand type rifle a Ruger #1 RSI would be my first choice, short action, traditional barrel.

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i only hunt with carbines. pumps, bolts and levers from 16.5" to 19.5" in 30/30, 35 rem, 350 mag, 35 whelen, 45/70, 450 marlin, 30/06 and 308. i like the handling and maneuverability in the thick stuff i hunt in PA. muzzle blast is not as bad as it would seem since i wear powered muffs even when stand hunting.


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