That's the cry from the Left everytime they want to increase the minimum wage.
The actual reason to raise the minimum wage is that many union contracts stipulate pay grades that are multiples of minimum wage, thus they are a Democrat payoff to unions. What does an increase in minimum wage do? Does it make a higher standard of living for the masses? Hell no! It puts them out of work and it blocks entry level jobs for teens.
Truth is the robots will probably speed up fast food. Cool short video. Check it out.
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No, they just need to get a skill that people are willing to pay them for. Then they need to show up, do their Fugging job and be a valued employee. Either that or start your own business. And I’m not talking about a starving artist.
How about “trailer trash”? I thought the big excuse for someone being a POS was “product of their environment “ That’s pretty much the definition of “ghetto spawn”. It’s actually a PC term apparently.
No, they just need to get a skill that people are willing to pay them for. Then they need to show up, do their Fugging job and be a valued employee. Either that or start your own business. And I’m not talking about a starving artist.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
And Candy Crush or Warriors of the Cosmos ain’t a marketable skill. While you’re at work, put that fuggin’ cell phone in your locker.
There are $25 / $30 an hour positions that can’t be filled where I live. But paying someone $15 / hour to serve Italian ice is going to make all the difference.
Don’t worry, “living wage” leads to automation, which leads to “basic universal income”, ie. welfare for the masses/wealth redistribution/communism/enslavement.
Minimum wage was never intended to be a liveable wage. Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs where people learn good work ethics like showing up on time, dependability, counting back change, customer service and so on. By learning these skills people make themselves more valuable so they can join the workforce, earn a living for their family, buy a car and/or a house and pay taxes so those who dont learn these skills can get their welfare checks and food stamps and free obama phones.
your wage is a price, just like the price of hamburger. the price an employer is willing to pay is related to the value of your work to the organization.
one of the things unions tried to discourage was automation. the computer/chip revolution settled that issue. if a machine could do a job cheaper, guess what.
interestingly, union management was more willing to protect the ones who were left than try to protect those whose jobs were eliminated. at one company i
once worked for, management offered to reset pay levels to save some low seniority jobs. the union membership turned it down.
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I've not interacted with a cashier that did that or knew how in a very very long time. They all have to look at the register readout to figure the simplest of change. I can give a cashier in this area a ten dollar bill for a four dollar and fifty cent sale, and they still have to look at the register readout to figure out what to hand back. The so-called cashiers here will usually hand back five dimes for fifty cents change instead of the proper two quarters or fifty cent piece ( I can sort of understand that because nobody uses halves anymore) and five ones instead of the proper five dollar bill Counting back change physically and verbally used to be taught in school also besides at home People can't do basic math and they're mostly just barely functionally illiterate. That's the main reason that a kid with a name like Ranjit Pushhattpittaphot wins American spelling bees and other scholastic competitions
your wage is a price, just like the price of hamburger. the price an employer is willing to pay is related to the value of your work to the organization.
one of the things unions tried to discourage was automation. the computer/chip revolution settled that issue. if a machine could do a job cheaper, guess what.
interestingly, union management was more willing to protect the ones who were left than try to protect those whose jobs were eliminated. at one company i
once worked for, management offered to reset pay levels to save some low seniority jobs. the union membership turned it down.
You’re right that the value of a persons labor is the value it represents to the “market” and further, it should be based on supply vs demand. The fugked up part, is that Retard Joe and the liberal circus has decided to pay people not to work therefore manipulating the supply which falsely raises the demand. Capitalism can’t work if Low IQ politicians meddle with it.
I forgot to mention bank tellers. You know, the people that are supposed to count money for a living ? They dang sure can't count in the banks in this area. They have to use the little electronic flippety floppety money counting machine. But they can sure speeka, so they get hired
I've not interacted with a cashier that did that or knew how in a very very long time. They all have to look at the register readout to figure the simplest of change. I can give a cashier in this area a ten dollar bill for a four dollar and fifty cent sale, and they still have to look at the register readout to figure out what to hand back.
The so-called cashiers here will usually hand back five dimes for fifty cents change instead of the proper two quarters or fifty cent piece ( I can sort of understand that because nobody uses halves anymore) and five ones instead of the proper five dollar bill Counting back change physically and verbally used to be taught in school also besides at home People can't do basic math and they're mostly just barely functionally illiterate. That's the main reason that a kid with a name like Ranjit Pushhattpittaphot wins American spelling bees and other scholastic competitions
While working a concession stand at a ball game, I once showed an otherwise very intelligent girl how to count back change. She got it immediately, and looked at me like I'd just told her the secret to life. It is simply just not being taught.
It’s tough to have a “living wage” when there are hundreds of thousands of illegals flooding the border every month. Most of them go to work somewhere and flood the market with low skill work. It especially suppresses ag and construction wages. Work visas to directly complete against our college grads don’t help either. Then factor in all of the jobs that we’ve allowed to be outsourced to China for slave labor wages for big business.
Maybe so few people can count back change today because so few people pay with cash today. The only thing I’ve used cash for in months is my entry fees for IDPA matches.
Maybe so few people can count back change today because so few people pay with cash today. The only thing I’ve used cash for in months is my entry fees for IDPA matches.
I am appalled at how few of todays kids can set a points distributor, time a magneto or pour a babbitt bearing.
they said with a minimum wage increase all these services workers would be replaced by robots, self service kiosks, etc
yet business are desperate for workers now. Those threats, at the moment at least, seem pretty idle.
I don't know what a living wage is anymore, but I"m 100% against flooding our economy with immigrants who can be exploited to work the lowest possible wages.
I don't think an economy where a guy with a high school education can get a job that pays enough to keep him in a small apartment and driving a used car is a bad thing.
A minor derailment of the topic but I'll never understand why Trump was decried as racist. The people that benefited the most from his policies were young African American males and citizen latinos. They saw job opportunities and wage increases no other presidency offered them. And it was because he cut back on the annexation of America by Mexico.
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No, they just need to get a skill that people are willing to pay them for. Then they need to show up, do their Fugging job and be a valued employee. Either that or start your own business. And I’m not talking about a starving artist.
This. What did they do to prepare themselves for a career in the modern world. Did someone tell them that flipping burgers and other minimum wage jobs would cut the mustard. I seriously doubt it. What was their plan. Heck I had to have a plan. What makes them special.
No, they just need to get a skill that people are willing to pay them for. Then they need to show up, do their Fugging job and be a valued employee. Either that or start your own business. And I’m not talking about a starving artist.
This X 100
The biggest problem our country has is not systemic racism, it's systemic stupidity.
they said with a minimum wage increase all these services workers would be replaced by robots, self service kiosks, etc
yet business are desperate for workers now. Those threats, at the moment at least, seem pretty idle.
I don't know what a living wage is anymore, but I"m 100% against flooding our economy with immigrants who can be exploited to work the lowest possible wages.
I don't think an economy where a guy with a high school education can get a job that pays enough to keep him in a small apartment and driving a used car is a bad thing.
A minor derailment of the topic but I'll never understand why Trump was decried as racist. The people that benefited the most from his policies were young African American males and citizen latinos. They saw job opportunities and wage increases no other presidency offered them. And it was because he cut back on the annexation of America by Mexico.
IF the Free Market is allowed to operate, then as labor becomes more expensive and difficult to secure, then robotics will eventually replace them. Low skilled, repetitive tasks are ideal for automation.
No truckers to drive the trucks, more automated long haul 18 wheelers will fill the void. No burger flippers, automation will fill the void. No cashiers or stock boys, automation will fill the void.
At the end of the day, there will be an entire low skilled generation that will be replaced. So goes the snowflake generation.
they said with a minimum wage increase all these services workers would be replaced by robots, self service kiosks, etc
yet business are desperate for workers now. Those threats, at the moment at least, seem pretty idle.
I don't know what a living wage is anymore, but I"m 100% against flooding our economy with immigrants who can be exploited to work the lowest possible wages.
I don't think an economy where a guy with a high school education can get a job that pays enough to keep him in a small apartment and driving a used car is a bad thing.
A minor derailment of the topic but I'll never understand why Trump was decried as racist. The people that benefited the most from his policies were young African American males and citizen latinos. They saw job opportunities and wage increases no other presidency offered them. And it was because he cut back on the annexation of America by Mexico.
IF the Free Market is allowed to operate, then as labor becomes more expensive and difficult to secure, then robotics will eventually replace them. Low skilled, repetitive tasks are ideal for automation.
No truckers to drive the trucks, more automated long haul 18 wheelers will fill the void. No burger flippers, automation will fill the void. No cashiers or stock boys, automation will fill the void.
At the end of the day, there will be an entire low skilled generation that will be replaced. So goes the snowflake generation.
I'm not arguing we are going there, but what I'm saying is the at the moment those arguments for the issues of raising minimum wage just aren't happening
we always hear that if they raise minimum wage there will be fewer jobs in the market place for workers. And I won't say that isn't going to happen in some fields but it also operates on the premise that small business operate with excess labor capacity. I can't imagine any business making the decision to have workers come in and work when they aren't needed. Raising minimum wage doesn't change the equation of that you need x amount of workers to run a business
and here we are in the midst of the biggest worker shortage I have seen in my lifetime, and its been ongoing during the pandemic for at least 12 months, yet I don't see any wholesale changes to automation. What I see is business changing their hours to the times they can have workers.2 -3 years down the road that automation may kick in but I think it would also decline as the worker shortage went away.
When people talk about what a guy making a burger should be paid, its not really based on the economic reality of supply and demand. Right now there aren't enough workers so a guy flipping burgers is worth much more than minimum wage to a business owner. Flipping a burger is no more effort than putting lug nuts on a car on an assembly line so why is the auto worker paid $23 an hour and the burger flipper is paid whatever? The stigma that a burger flipper has to be paid the lowest possible wage is just based on the idea that anyone can do it, but when there aren't enough anyone's, they have to be paid more to do it.
I agree about the free market, but IMO, wages have been kept artificially down for years with the glut of immigration and the idea that no one wants to pay $3 for a tomato or $12 for a hamburger.. In times of a bad economy, there should be a glut of workers and wages drop, but what we've seen during good economies is that wages don't increase at the lowest levels because that worker void was filled to some degree by legal and illegal immigration.
I do agree that there shouldn't be a minimum wage tied to a living wage. The marketplace should dictate the wages earned, but also with a government willing to control the supply of immigrant labor and minimizing job killing regulations.
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have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
That's the cry from the Left everytime they want to increase the minimum wage.
The actual reason to raise the minimum wage is that many union contracts stipulate pay grades that are multiples of minimum wage, thus they are a Democrat payoff to unions. What does an increase in minimum wage do? Does it make a higher standard of living for the masses? Hell no! It puts them out of work and it blocks entry level jobs for teens.
Truth is the robots will probably speed up fast food. Cool short video. Check it out.
I've not interacted with a cashier that did that or knew how in a very very long time. They all have to look at the register readout to figure the simplest of change.
I once gave the cashier at a fast food place a fifty dollar bill. He rang it up as a twenty, which made my change $30 short. I pointed out the error, and sure enough my fifty was sitting on top of the twenties. So I asked for $30 more change back.
The guy couldn't figure out that the difference between a fifty and a twenty was $30. He had to call the manager, who rolled his eyes and promptly handed me $30.
A lot of people would be surprised to discover what jobs are actually not minimum wage jobs. Wal Mart, Target Home Depot, Sam's Club, Costco, McDonalds, Burger King, etc., etc. So many people think that people who work at these places and more are paid minimum wage. There may be exceptions; but, generally speaking, all of those places pay more than minimum wage.
Increasing minimum wages simply kills the small businesses in America. Why do you think that every time this topic comes upon the political scene that retail giants such as Wal Mart, Amazon, etc. support increasing the minimum wage? It's simple. They want the government through legislation to eliminate their competition. That's not conspiracy theory, it's economic reality.
Increasing minimum wages causes price increases across the board throughout the country (see above poster's reference to union contracts) mainly because employers don't have a secret bank account full of excess funds that are allocated to increased wages. Increasing minimum wages actually eliminates large numbers of entry level jobs. In order to pay more money, employers need to obtain more money. How do they do that? They increase prices and/or cut services or jobs and then everybody complains and everybody loses.
It is also interesting to note that the largest supporters of increasing the minimum wage and other absurd economic policies are those most insulated from the effects of their policies and those too ignorant to know that their support for those people is, in essence, shooting themselves in the foot. It's a giant red herring which allows politicians to say "see, I care" or "see, I did something for you".
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Don't need a burger flipping robot. It's easier and faster to fry both sides at the same time and the machine to do it would be a lot less costly. There is a lot of work that people do that can be done by machines that don't look like androids. CNC replaced a lot of machine operators and none of it looks android-like.
A requirement for a living wage eliminates every job that doesn't contribute a commensurate level of value. The most likely response will be a shift of those tasks to the "gig" worker economy. Essentially, they simply won't be "employees" anymore. Progressives have tried to ban gig workers also, forcing their classification as employees, and others have simply tried to promote UBI. Either approach is inflationary so long as the government is willing to increase public debt to accommodate it and to monetize that debt. The US has had these kinds of redistributive policies since at least the revolution. Considering the allocation of the Federal budget, the main function of the US government is to redistribute wealth. The reason is simple: Politics is business. Politicans buy votes (their only asset) with redistributed money.
The real reason is to kill small business because it’s harder to get small business owners under their thumb.
There's a lot of truth to this. The democrats are trying to destroy small business and entrepreneurs as part of their build back better marxist agenda. Can't build it back if they don't destroy it first.
The real reason is to kill small business because it’s harder to get small business owners under their thumb.
There's a lot of truth to this. The democrats are trying to destroy small business and entrepreneurs as part of their build back better marxist agenda. Can't build it back if they don't destroy it first.
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Big business benefits from a higher minimum wage and from being able to export manufacturing overseas to China. If all manufacturing was done within the US or other countries that paid a comparable wage and with comparable environmental standard the average wage paid within the US would skyrocket.
Wages are inflated by deficit spending and debt monetization. How can an honest business compete for workers when the government is spending trillions and trillions and trillions to move its agenda to the top? Government, and especially the businesses that are the direct benefactors of its massive deficit spending have all the money to warp the economy and distort both prices and wages.
Balance the federal budget and start paying down the public debt. Immediately, nobody will be talking about the need to raise wages. No doubt unemployment will skyrocket at first, but if we continue the way it is, all the extra demand for workers is fake demand based on deficit spending. It's a pyramid scheme where everyone is getting paid higher and higher wages, more and more money that is all expected to come from the future.
Wages are inflated by deficit spending and debt monetization. How can an honest business compete for workers when the government is spending trillions and trillions and trillions to move its agenda to the top? Government, and especially the businesses that are the direct benefactors of its massive deficit spending have all the money to warp the economy and distort both prices and wages.
Balance the federal budget and start paying down the public debt. Immediately, nobody will be talking about the need to raise wages. No doubt unemployment will skyrocket at first, but if we continue the way it is, all the extra demand for workers is fake demand based on deficit spending. It's a pyramid scheme where everyone is getting paid higher and higher wages, more and more money that is all expected to come from the future.
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