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The LA Times writer apparently didn’t want to be outdone by the Beast.

Hollywood getting more Looney Toons every day...

now Baldwin has killed someone..... he'll skate and they will pass the blame for it all to someone else.

Written by halfwits without comprehension of the subject.

Well you know Alec Baldwin didn't shoot the two people intentionally....

Less face it, he could only have hit them by accident.....

if he would have been aiming intentionally, this is a guy who couldn't hit Texas while standing on the Oklahoma/Texas state line...

Wow, the reporter knows his stuff. [/sarcasm]

It looks like it was more than a practice run and that there were crew there. The crew that had left 6 hours earlier were some of the union that was protesting the unsafe conditions (they were right). But there were replacement crew there and even the director of photography who was killed.

Blame it on the NRA and gun culture.

I still don't get how anyone can pick up a gun and not verify personally whether it is loaded or not. Even then there isn't a reason to point it directly at anything you don't intend to shoot. Baldwin is an idiot of the first order and no matter a person's stance on guns it is their responsibility to maintain all forms of gun safety once it is in their hands.

I don't mean to be picking on you, JoeBob, but they've been making movies with guns for a long time now. Don't you think they have had time to evolve some pretty strict safety procedures? You could do things like put blaze orange pieces of plastic in flashholes for dummies or orange plastic cases for instances where you wanted to show bullets through the front of a cylinder, etc. It would be easy for a prop man to line up a cylinder so that the next cocking brings up the correct round.

This stuff isn't difficult and is well understood. Any actor/actress that doesn't understand this could be trained on it in a half hour or less.
There's no excuse why the actor can't be the last link in a chain of quality/safety control.

And if it wasn't his responsibility to do a final check on the gun, they should all lose their asses in court, including Baldwin.

It appears the armorer was a 24 year old "gunsmith" that said she didn't feel she was ready for the job. Apparently she wasn't.

Well, let’s look at that for an instant. With a single action revolver, for the actor to be the last line of defense, he is going to have to spin the chamber past the loading gate on every cartridge. If he does that, how is the prop man going to line up the correct cylinder as you say? For an actor who is most likely a non gun guy, he is going to get the pistol, inexpertly check it, then probably have to hand it back to the prop guy again to get it right before shooting the scene.

In a normal situation, the first tell on a revolver is seeing the rims at the end of the cylinder. But that wouldn’t work with dummy rounds. So now your back to having the actor spin the cylinder. Maybe he looks at five chambers and not six. Maybe he is tired and missed the one.

The point is that gun handling in movies is inherently unsafe. You’re going to be doing things that an actual gun owner would never do. And the one thing that probably just isn’t accounted for on a professional movie set is an ACTUAL live round. Everything I’ve see on has the movie people referring to a blank as a “live round”. This was apparently a real 44-40 cartridge. How does that even happen? Why was there a live round within a mile of this set? That’s going to be outside of the experience of every actor in Hollywood on a movie set. It isn’t even something most of them would even contemplate. A hot blank, yeah, maybe. But a live round mixed in with some dummies? Yeah, no.

And for everyone who is on here saying that they would never point a real firearm at someone even with blanks, I’m just going to assume and know you are lying if you’ve been in the Army within the last forty years or so.

Gee, the diversity hire didn't work out so well.

I'm shocked!!!!!

The BFA on the end is red, easily visible, and it's that way for a reason.

A lot of actors in the 1950's 60's and even up to the 70's were WWII vets or were raised around guns. They knew how to handle them and make sure they were safe. Today, very few Hollywood actors really know guns. The exception being Tom Seleck, Keanu Reeves, and maybe Bruce Willis.

He should be tried for unintentional manslaughter.

One can check and double check the gun, but there is still no reason to ever point it at someone or something you don’t intend to shoot. It is the actor’s ultimate responsibility to adhere to this and find a way to reposition so this isn’t the case. Stop the scene and tell the director that adjustments need to be made so no one is at risk including the crew. The film viewers wouldn’t be able to tell the difference if done properly.

Oh, so you’re saying that violating one of the central tenets of firearms safety is okay under certain highly regulated conditions?

I'm saying we trained with them in the Corps and didn't kill each other by accident. We understood what we were doing, why we were doing it, and used a visible device that didn't allow live ammo too be fired or the end of the barrel.

If you were dumb enough to snuggle a live round, load it, and shoot it with a BFA on your rifle, YOU were gonna be the one getting hurt........

So violating one of the central tenets of gun safety is okay as long as it’s regulated and no one gets hurt? Got it.

It's called training. I'll wait for your detailed explanation of how you propose to have a CAX without anyone pointing a weapon at anyone else.

Or maybe you just think the military should have more gender studies safety briefs and not train.

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