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Nothing new, he’s always tried to convince everyone he’s really something. Quick and easy:
1.047" is very close to what one minute of angle produces at 100 yards.
For .65" group at 108 yards: .65/(1.08x1.047) represents .575 moa.
Similarly a .325" group at 54 yards : .325/(.54x1.047) represents .575 moa.
This can be handled by a little solar powered pocket calculator with basic arithmetic functions. Yes, its simple basic math. Saying a rifle is a .57 moa rifle is exactly what I said in my previous post. Look at some of the targets I post. Most are labeled with the moa. It doesn't matter if I'm shooting 100 or 1,000 yards. The group size is labeled. I guarantee if bugger shoots 3 5 shot groups side by side on the same piece of paper, the average is not going to be exactly .57 moa every time. Also most guys use an average of 5 5 shot groups, or if either of you have balls enough, you can shoot the moa all day long challenge here. That will show that it is likely not a ".57 moa" rifle. The number stated is arbitrary, like I said. This is funny. In a match you can have a single group for small of the day. The only reason for 5 5 shot groups is Agg. You can also have the overall agg of 15 5 shot groups of 100, 200 and 300 yards. And again MOA is actually a poor way to score groups ie .25 inch group will bear a .25 MOA group all day long. (.25” = .25” alas .25 MOA = .26175”). Also read your comment in optics and it seems your head is getting just as large and full of visions of supreme grandeur as Twigglet.
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I’ll often just use 3ea. 5 shot groups and average them.
I shot a rifle a couple days ago that the first group was 1/2 MOA; the next group was 1 1/2 MOA. I didn’t bother to shoot a third group. The rifle was a 35 Whelen. I brought it back to the gun room and put a different scope on it. I have not taken it out again, yet.
Sure 5 ea 5 shot groups are better than 3 ea 5 shot groups but I feel that 3 groups is good enough for me.
A while back I took a Krag out and the first three shots at 54 yards were touching, the next two brought the group to much larger.
If you feel 5 groups is right for you go for it. If you think a 3 shot group is good go for it. Everyone has their standard.
I set up my spreadsheet to calculate MOA as I have several movable target stands I laser the distance and plug in the numbers. This is easy for me. If you have a way you like better good for you.
If the groups vary quite a bit I figure something is wrong.
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I prefer classic.
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one inch group at 100 yards is approximately 0.9549296 MOA
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[quote=Seafire]3031 is an accuracy powder secret often overlooked in the world of where everyone wants
the latest and greatest that wasn't available or in existence last year.
its also a good powder for downloading a cartridge...as its still real accurate.
3031 is a incredible performer. You won't believe it until you try it. I just made a post in the single shot section about using 3031 in the 243. I'm sure most guys are going to think I'm a blowhard.
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[quote=Seafire]3031 is an accuracy powder secret often overlooked in the world of where everyone wants
the latest and greatest that wasn't available or in existence last year.
its also a good powder for downloading a cartridge...as its still real accurate.
3031 is a incredible performer. You won't believe it until you try it. I just made a post in the single shot section about using 3031 in the 243. I'm sure most guys are going to think I'm a blowhard. not really "Most guys".... there is a subculture here that can apply to... as they think someone who does something different than they do, is a dumbass... there numbers are few... they are just real vocal... there is a reason powders like 3031 are still being sold really well, even in a world that only the latest and greatest stuff is preferred stuff... Some of us have to have the latest.. and some of us are mature enough, to know what was working 60 years ago, is still working just as well today.. 4198 and 3031 are two powders I'd never be without.... they just plain work... may not be the fastest, but they sure need no excuse in the world of accuracy.
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may not be the fastest, but they sure need no excuse in the world of accuracy. I’m with you. I don’t understand getting the last 100 fps. I do understand getting the last 1/4 MOA though. Go faster, get bigger cartridge is my way of thinking. BTW: 1.04719765" at 100 yards according to my math approximately = 1 MOA
Last edited by Bugger; 07/10/22.
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Anyone here shooting the 22-250 in a factory Savage Striker?
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