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Originally Posted by MallardAddict
The 180 VLD’s have been superb for me in several 7 mags and (3) 28 Noslers.


Good killers MA?


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Originally Posted by beretzs
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
The 180 VLD’s have been superb for me in several 7 mags and (3) 28 Noslers.


Good killers MA?

Not MA, but have killed deer with VLD's, mainly the 140 gr. Hunting VLD out of my 6.5-284 at 3K fps. I've not killed anything with the 7mm version, not yet at least.

With the 6.5's, quick kills, multiple exits, so they obviously frag. If they're too frangible, Berger tech recommended the target version with it's slightly heavier jacket. I haven't done that.

When I was working up loads for my 26 Nosler, Berger data had the top velocity at 3,100 fps. I called and said I could get a lot more speed with that bullet out of that round. I was told that they don't like to see their Hunting VLD at over 3,100 fps. That's when they suggested the Target VLD for faster speeds. I moved on to other bullets for the 26 Nosler.

Read JB's New Zealand hunts, testing Berger bullets on game and how well they did.

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Makes sense DF. The fellas at Gunwerks only run 180's at 3000+ from their 28 Nosler ammo as well. Said it is just where it works out accuracy wise and the bullets don't need the extra speed.


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Originally Posted by beretzs
Makes sense DF. The fellas at Gunwerks only run 180's at 3000+ from their 28 Nosler ammo as well. Said it is just where it works out accuracy wise and the bullets don't need the extra speed.

They should know.

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Originally Posted by beretzs
Originally Posted by MallardAddict
The 180 VLD’s have been superb for me in several 7 mags and (3) 28 Noslers.


Good killers MA?


All of the 6’s had 26” barrels and shot the 180 VLD around 2950-3000 with Retumbo. All 3 28’s shot them 3150-3225 fps. I’ve used those girls to kill several deer and a handful of bears and elk from probably 200-800 yds and always been quite pleased. Typical Berger performance going in 3-4” and violently expanding in the vitals wrecking havoc. Probably about 50% exited and typically with a 1 1/2-2” wound.

Found 300 of the Berger .308 230 OTM’s yesterday so going to try them first in my new 300 Norma Improved.

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Thanks MA.


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I’ve killed a few elk, as has my brother, with the 162 Eldx out of a 7mm Rem Mag started at 2980. Really slippery at .631 bc. Great bullet performance.

My nephew killed a 5x6 at 409 yards with the 150 eldx out of a 7mm-08 started at 2790.

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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
I’ve killed a few elk, as has my brother, with the 162 Eldx out of a 7mm Rem Mag started at 2980. Really slippery at .631 bc. Great bullet performance.

My nephew killed a 5x6 at 409 yards with the 150 eldx out of a 7mm-08 started at 2790.

It’s a good bullet.




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Some like the ELD-M about as much as the X version, claim they get good terminal performance. Both of those are reportedly accurate, as you and your pard’s have shown.

I’ve never used either. Was wondering how frangible those two are compared to the VLD, Hunting and Target.

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Originally Posted by beretzs
You’ll never regret an 8 twist 7mm.

It’ll turn the shorter, lighter bullets great as well.

I think, I'm going to order one.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
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I’ve killed a few elk, as has my brother, with the 162 Eldx out of a 7mm Rem Mag started at 2980. Really slippery at .631 bc. Great bullet performance.

My nephew killed a 5x6 at 409 yards with the 150 eldx out of a 7mm-08 started at 2790.

It’s a good bullet.




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Some like the ELD-M about as much as the X version, claim they get good terminal performance. Both of those are reportedly accurate, as you and your pard’s have shown.

I’ve never used either. Was wondering how frangible those two are compared to the VLD, Hunting and Target.

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I killed this cow at a little under 400 yards, 162 ELDX. The entrance is pretty obvious. The bullet center punched the big leg bone a couple of inches below the shoulder knuckle.


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The bullet destroyed the bone, hit a rib, took out the left lung, blew off the top of the heart, took out the right lung, broke another rib, and lodged under the hide.


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Retained weight was around 60-65% IIRC. Pretty good for a C&C.





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Kilt this little feller around 200 yards, same load. Bullet didn’t exit and we did the gutless on him so I didn’t find the bullet. Truth be told I didn’t look too hard, as I knew how much work we had to do.


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I don’t think I hit the shoulder bone going in but he sure went down fast.




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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
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For that type of shooting I’ve had best results with the 180 ELD, 162 AM, and 145 LRX. Haven’t played with the 180 Scenar yet.


Jordan, what are you using the 180 ELD with? Just wondering how they hold up on heavy game if you’ve used them. I remember reading 30338’s posts they were quite explosive.

So far I’ve been shooting them from 7WSMs and 7RMs at 2930-2970 fps MV. I’ve posted this before, but probably the best example I have of stress-testing that bullet on heavy game, was when it entered the brisket of a large bull moose on a slightly quartering frontal shot at ~30 meters, penetrated about 4 feet, and exited near the last rib on the offside. The bullet didn’t hit any major bone, but penetration was impressive, none-the-less. So far, for me at least, they behave about like every other model of ELD-M I’ve used on game, which is about like an average heavy-for-caliber (high SD) tipped C&C. They expand and penetrate just fine as long as impact speed isn’t crazy. Even in the case of the bull moose example above, which is about as high an impact speed as I expect with an ELD, it penetrated very well and held together just fine.


I’m glad to hear the heavy for caliber ELD-M’s work for elk. I have been using them to great effect on hogs. 208 gr ELD-M out of a 30-06 has been completely effective on all sizes, ranges and shot placements. It’s not a meat saver bullet, but the wounding potential means you will anchor the animal. Penetration and expansion matches what’s needed on the body ranges I see.

My goal has been for 2700 fps which is working the 30-06 pretty hard. Going to have a 300 H&H built which should let me utilize that bullet at the goal velocity nice and easy with low pressures. But I’ve been wondering if optimizing the build around that bullet would handicap me in the future for elk. Sounds like I should be good to go.

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Originally Posted by Keechi_Kid
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For that type of shooting I’ve had best results with the 180 ELD, 162 AM, and 145 LRX. Haven’t played with the 180 Scenar yet.


Jordan, what are you using the 180 ELD with? Just wondering how they hold up on heavy game if you’ve used them. I remember reading 30338’s posts they were quite explosive.

So far I’ve been shooting them from 7WSMs and 7RMs at 2930-2970 fps MV. I’ve posted this before, but probably the best example I have of stress-testing that bullet on heavy game, was when it entered the brisket of a large bull moose on a slightly quartering frontal shot at ~30 meters, penetrated about 4 feet, and exited near the last rib on the offside. The bullet didn’t hit any major bone, but penetration was impressive, none-the-less. So far, for me at least, they behave about like every other model of ELD-M I’ve used on game, which is about like an average heavy-for-caliber (high SD) tipped C&C. They expand and penetrate just fine as long as impact speed isn’t crazy. Even in the case of the bull moose example above, which is about as high an impact speed as I expect with an ELD, it penetrated very well and held together just fine.


I’m glad to hear the heavy for caliber ELD-M’s work for elk. I have been using them to great effect on hogs. 208 gr ELD-M out of a 30-06 has been completely effective on all sizes, ranges and shot placements. It’s not a meat saver bullet, but the wounding potential means you will anchor the animal. Penetration and expansion matches what’s needed on the body ranges I see.

My goal has been for 2700 fps which is working the 30-06 pretty hard. Going to have a 300 H&H built which should let me utilize that bullet at the goal velocity nice and easy with low pressures. But I’ve been wondering if optimizing the build around that bullet would handicap me in the future for elk. Sounds like I should be good to go.


I liked how well the 212 ELDX works on elk from my 30-06 at 2700.. It is one of the combo's I don't mess with. Accurate as hell and just works like magic in that speed range in my opinion.


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Sitting on my OG 700 AWR & a box of the 180 Scenars (thanks for the advice @Beretzs) but haven’t paired them up yet. Still somewhat sad that Remington decided on a 9.25 twist for such a great backcountry hunting gun.

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I live at 6,700 foot elevation, but actually had a 9.5 twisted Ruger 7mm Mag that shot the 180 scenar quite well. It might do okay with them.

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An OEM Big Green 7mm RemMag with 9" and small change RPM,will Smooch,house and stabilize a 180 ELD VERY happily,even at low tide. Hint.(grin)

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I should have specified that my comment was for a 7mm RUM

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Stick have you ever dabbled in the 7mm STW? Throated correctly it might be a bad biatch with heavies...no?

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I've only had (3) 7 STW's and (2) 30 STW's. Throating cain't make either better,as it's simply too much case length and not enough mag box(700's all). Hint.

Which is why the 7mm RemMag shines,like few fhuqking others. Hint.................


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I've only had (3) 7 STW's and (2) 30 STW's. Throating cain't make either better,as it's simply too much case length and not enough mag box(700's all). Hint.

Which is why the 7mm RemMag shines,like few fhuqking others. Hint.................


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