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I'm thrilled with the Rittenhouse verdict as it affirms that self defense against an attacker is legally justified, regardless of the force used to stop the attacker. Big win.

Fast forward to Arbery Case where the judge ruled on Friday, as a matter of law, that "Citizen's Arrest" was not a legally viable defense because the citizens arrest occurred 11 days after the alleged crime, and that a citizens arrest must be at or just following the alleged crime by actual witnesses of the crime. This guts the entire defense of the defendants, who put their entire defense upon a citizens arrest. They were in essence - vigilantes 11 days after an alleged crime that cornered a likely suspect, who then had a right to self defense because there was no legal justification for a citizens arrest arrest as no crime was actively being committed.

Anybody following that trial?

From what little I've read.... those boys may be guilty of murder......
Saw the video..... doesn't look good at all.

Gonna be interesting what this case does to GA's laws if anything.

Epstein's madame goes on trial at the end of the month.

I think those Georgia boys are up the creek without a paddle, and are missing their drain plugs, besides.

11 days after the incident? Difficult to justify that one.

It's pretty clear that they are screwed.

fine for them to track the guy down to see what he was up to. the mistake was bringing a shotgun along.

If you chase someone down because you think he’s a criminal, you’d better be right.
Signed,
Huber, Groosskruech, and the Georgia father son duo

they are screwed. and rightfully so. they f-ucked up when they brought out the gun. and from the looks of them, their IQ's don't add up to triple digits.

Fortunately, however this thing goes ( preferably with the three in prison) it is cooler outside and rioters hate the cold and 60 degrees down south is cold to many!

I don't agree with the father and son duo's action. But how is the guy just following and recording the incident liable for the others actions? Hell without him the prosecution probably wouldn't have a case.

Word to the wise, unless you can articulate your life is in immediate peril, don't brandish weapons. This case is a great example of why

"O.J. Simpson didn't use a gun- - - - - -Nicole should have!" It sounds like Arbery was in the same situation. If some redneck points a shotgun at me, he'd better have his affairs in order. His time left on this earth is going to be measured in seconds.

I'd tend to disagree. Nothing wrong with being armed. I think their mistake was in trying to detain a guy who wasn't in the process of committing a crime. That's where they crossed the line.

They were idiots for what they did. But didn't the black guy try to take the shotgun away from the redneck. If so thats not 1st. Degree murder in my opinion. Their intention was to detain not kill.

They knew the joglar was stealin from their neighborhood, and they were right.

They went ta try and identify him, so they could get the cops ta charge him with burglary, and they had the right ta do that.

They had weapons with em, and they had the right ta do that.

They yelled at the joglar ta stop, so they could try and get a name/description for the cops, and they had a right ta do that.

The joglar didn't wanna get caught in a felony, so he ran when caught, and he had a right ta do that.

The joglar tried ta pull a shotgun from another citizen's hand, and he didn't have the right ta do that.

So the only person that committed a crime that day, is dead.

Rosenbaum needing killed didn't matter in last week's trial.
Kyle deciding to bring a gun along wasn't really an issue either.
What mattered was when Rosenbaum appeared to be determined
to do harm to Kyle.

Trevor Martin hadn't committed a crime when George Zimmerman
followed him. He just looked suspicious. And Zimmerman didn't
commit a crime in observing him. Even displaying a gun would have
been a crime at that point.

When Martin first attacked Zimmerman, self defense came on the
board. With the percentage of justification ever rising.

When he was banging Zimmermans noggin on the sidewalk,
The percentage was over 100%


I don't see how the judge simplifies this.
It's very complicated, even for a cop.
As a situation evolves, the right to use lethal force can
change like a heartbeat monitor.

It simplifies down to self defense. There's some technical details that need ironing out. The law needs to preserve the right to come armed, then self defense even when you initiated the interaction. It's common sense. Cops do it regularly.

with the Citizens Arrest blown up, going to be hard to cover self defense

Sounds like the defense is looking for a deal at this point

I bet the prison population in Ga. is 70 percent black. these guys will have to be put in some kind of isolation, or they won't last a month.