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Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16656383 11/25/21
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johnw Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2002 Posts: 15,631 Likes: 4 Turkey River Iowa	Virtually all of the .308 I see on shelves is FMJ ammo. Which is not an issue if you handload, and have components. I pretty much always see hunting ammo available for the Creedmoor And I may be the wrong guy to say this, because I likely have more .308s than all other centerfires combined, but if I wanted to hunt with a minimum number of rifles, the Creedmoor would be at the top of my list for general use. Absolutely nothing wrong with a .308, but it is on the heavy end of the generalist rifle spectrum, IMO. "Chances Will Be Taken"

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Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 bsa1917hunter #16656610 11/25/21
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Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,986 Likes: 27 West of the Blue Ridge	Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter Originally Posted by Pappy348 Your premise is fundamentally flawed. You don’t need to switch, you need both. Becoming a handloader will largely insulate you from the fluctuations in the market, once you manage to get what’s needed. What’s actually needed is pretty basic, and not terribly expensive over time. You’ll be able to practice more, always a good thing. This^^^^ Mostly I was just funning about needing both, as I’ve found I can make do with just about anything, but having options is always a good thing, and a .308 is a very capable, useful, and versatile round. It’s not the ultimate for anything, but does lots of stuff pretty well. I’m seldom without one, and just dropped a fair bit on a second one, which I figure will be largely offset by all the components already in hand, essentially “free” according to loony logic. No flies at all on any 6.5, but only the Grendel has appeared here thus far. What fresh Hell is this?

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 Big Stick #16656659 11/25/21
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MontanaMarine Campfire Ranger M Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 19,120 Likes: 9 Canyon Ferry, Montana	No sense selling the 6.5 Creed. This pic is 1000 words of why it's never a bad idea to include a 308, or a 30-06 (or a 223/5.56). Surplus ammo is usually available, and reasonably priced, in a relative sense. Originally Posted by Big Stick

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16657126 11/25/21
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WAM Campfire Tracker W Joined: May 2017 Posts: 4,940 Likes: 5 Sweet Home	The 6.5 CM is an ok deer and speed-goat cartridge, I suppose. If I were upgrading I would go with a .30-06 or larger and keep the Crudmore. Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16657152 11/26/21
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AcesNeights Campfire Ranger A Joined: May 2008 Posts: 25,563 Likes: 14 Valhalla SE AK & WA	It’s probably been mentioned but since you have a .243 a .308 makes sense because you can use either case for both rifles with little effort…. I like my .308’s and the Creed would be superfluous for my purposes. I tend towards practicality in such matters, worst case scenarios. Each of my main hunting rifles have little brothers ie my 35 Whelen has my 30-06, my .338wm has my 7mm mag, my .308 has the .243. 😁 �Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr. --------------------------------------------------------- ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

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Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16657158 11/26/21
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,679 Likes: 47 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,679 Likes: 47 Paradise,Alaska	You gals REALLY "know" your "stuff". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Pardon a 264 Kreedmire squirting a .697BC at 2700fps from a 21" spout and simply CRUSHING 308 Dreams. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Let alone seen one! Hint. LAUGHING! Just kidding! I've never even heard of a 308 or '06. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Luckily,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you ladies can "afford" to "contribute". Hint. Bless your hearts for trying. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16657369 11/26/21
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auk1124 Campfire Tracker A Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,700 Likes: 5 KY	Originally Posted by antero I have a 6.5 creedmoor rifle that I've been using for deer and antelop hunting and hoping to make my all-around rifle. I'm hoping to draw an elk tag next year and use the same rifle for that as well. The only other centerfire bolt rifles I own are a 223 and a 243 that has a compact stock and is used by my wife. I like keeping my number of rifles relatively small and am not interested in getting many more. Ammo availability has been a major issue lately for me, as it has been for most folks. I was fortunate enough to grab two boxes of ammo for deer season this year, which will last me a long time if I never practice with the thing. Every time I go to Scheels or Cabelas I notice that there is usually a variety of 308 offerings. I know that this ammo shortage will eventually come to an end, but what about the next one, and the one after that? I suppose the answer could be to just hoard all the 6.5 CM ammo I can when it becomes affordable, but it seems like this shortage has shown the priorities of the ammo industry, and that priority is to manufacture lots of 308. I'm considering selling the 6.5 and picking up a 308. The 308 would give me a little more recoil and a little less BC, but it would give me cheaper ammo and more trigger time. Is there any real downside to going to the 308? Norma has 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo in stock. Some sort of 140 grain soft point. I don't know a thing about it but I assume it wouldn't bounce off of a deer. https://normashooting.com/shop/cali...creedmoor-140-gr-whitetail-norma-qty-20/ And it ain't cheap, but Mid South has Winchester factory ammo with copper solids, if you live in an area with a lead free bullet requirement. https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....n-deer-season-xp-copper-impact-20-rounds Last edited by auk1124; 11/26/21.

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658154 11/26/21
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jerrywoodswalker Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,330	Originally Posted by antero I like keeping my number of rifles relatively small and am not interested in getting many more. Ammo availability has been a major issue lately for me, as it has been for most folks. I was fortunate enough to grab two boxes of ammo for deer season this year, which will last me a long time if I never practice with the thing. Antero, Less money to just pick up additional ammo, especially when there's not a crunch on. Bullet placement will matter more than whether you are shooting a .308 Win or a 6.5 Creed. Best way to get there is with practice. A bolt 22 rifle will help with the fundamentals. Shooting your centerfire will give you familiarity with your rifle/cartridge ballistics, and mean more come crunch time than having two boxes of ammo sitting on the shelf I pretty much buy No factory ammo, just reload. I enjoy the hobby a lot, and IF you stock up on components you won't even notice the shortages. Not really in-expensive to get into though. Jerry Si vis pacem, para bellum

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658215 11/26/21
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urbaneruralite Campfire Tracker U Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,003	The gun weight and powder charge of 243 puts it in the recoil class of 6.5 120gr while performance on game is more like 223. 223 and 243 are your overlap. A broader battery would be 223, 6.5 and 308. Try a slip on recoil pad on the compact stock to see if it fits you fine. Then try with the pad off while wearing heavy cold weather gear. This scheme fits the guns to you both in all seasons. . Living in a world of G17s and 700s, wishing for P7s and 202s

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658446 11/26/21
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260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,243 Likes: 2 OMAHA	When you ask a diverse group for advice, you're likely to get a diverse spread of feedback.

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Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658486 11/26/21
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,515 Likes: 4 Texas R rickt300 Campfire Outfitter
rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,515 Likes: 4 Texas	As for the abundance of FMJ military style ammo being available I find that to be a bonus. There may soon come a time when any ammo will be appreciated including FMJ's. Dog I rescued in January

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658515 11/26/21
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earlybrd Campfire Ranger E Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,410 Likes: 28	Try shooting a braked 308 it’s like shooting a 223 but a bit louder

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658706 11/26/21
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Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,305 Likes: 4	308 is my favorite round, and it wins the factory ammo contest, hands-down. Having said that, I also like (and have) the 6.5 CM. Inside 600 yards the 6.5's "superiority" means jackchit. And, with 6.5/140's the difference in recoil vs the 308/165 isn't that great. And with a 308/150-155, there's essentially no difference. My advice would be to keep the 6.5 and add a 308 too. But barring that, the 308 in conjunction with the 243 you already have is a nice combo... but for me, I'd ditch the 243 and keep the 6.5CM WITH a 308 Win. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658753 11/26/21
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,679 Likes: 47 Paradise,Alaska	You CLUELESS Day Dreaming Dumbfhuqks are a Hoot!. Hint. Congratulations?!? The 264 Kreedmire will simply ALWAYS enjoy less drop,drift and recoil,while arriving the scene with greater ass,due greater impact velocity. HILARIOUS that the only things you Fhuqktards "shoot",are your mouths and Imaginations. Hint. Fortunately for you gals,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". To knock 'er out of Da' Park and cite the .243" boolits you are TRYING to "talk" about,but be VERY careful,I likely shoot more than a "few" chamberings in said bore size and 3050fps is EASILY arranged with a 21" spout(Seex Kreed or 243Win) and a .6xx BC. Hint. Bless your poor poor(literally) hearts,for trying though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 Big Stick #16658766 11/26/21
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,515 Likes: 4 Texas	Yep if all I did were shoot paper out past 600 yards that might be of value but for Elk hunting at the usual ranges I'll take a 308 or 30-06 any day. Dog I rescued in January

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658801 11/26/21
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goalie Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,580 Minnesota	How do you get "look at my 6 Creedmoor" from a guy asking if he should go up in diameter from 6.5 Creedmoor?!?!???

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 Big Stick #16658833 11/26/21
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Gooch_McGrundle Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 3,637 Likes: 1 PNW	Originally Posted by Big Stick You gals REALLY "know" your "stuff". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Pardon a 264 Kreedmire squirting a .697BC at 2700fps from a 21" spout and simply CRUSHING 308 Dreams. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Let alone seen one! Hint. LAUGHING! Just kidding! I've never even heard of a 308 or '06. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Luckily,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you ladies can "afford" to "contribute". Hint. Bless your hearts for trying. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................... The guy said the two boxes he bought would last a while. I see a guy that shoots as much as you being able to realize the benefits. He’s in ugly stik mode. A GL3 or IMX would be a waste.

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658893 11/26/21
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bowmanh Campfire Tracker B Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,042 Likes: 4 NW Oregon	I agree with those who say you should add a .308 and keep the 6.5 CM, assuming you can afford it. They're both great cartridges, but I prefer a .308, with the right bullets, for larger game. I like the 6.5 CM for deer and antelope and the .308 for larger animals, including bears. Please note, I'm not saying you can't do it all with a 6.5 CM, that's just my personal preference.

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 antero #16658904 11/26/21
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,679 Likes: 47 Paradise,Alaska	Gooch', The Astute will take notes and connect dots by literal default and Droolers will simply keep on droolin'. Hint. The Paper Hat Brigade fixates none of the things that matter and swoon headstamps,which are by and large meaningless. Recoil reduction,benefits everyone. Fending atmospherics,benefits everyone. Conjoining same in Factory Fodder,do not "hurt" the equation. That said projectile is routinely offered in same,ain't a step backwards either. Hint.(grin) I get to listen to this CLUELESS Schit all of the fhuqking time and it of course cracks me the fhuqk up! Simply because I shoot it all and then some,it is hardly "daunting" to toss at least one of everything thus far cited in my crummy and let Newbs extrapolate via Spent Primers. NOBODY is gonna say "YEP...just like I thought,I REALLY want a 308 and a 30-'06 now!",or even fhuqking CLOSE. Them realizations add ZERO to the cost and only strengthen the chain. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! NONE of these gals has anything bordering a FIRST Fhuqking Clue and they really like to prove it,by simply doing their best. Which of course,only bolsters the HILARITY. Hint. I'm at ease,in fueling Crying Karen Melting Snowflake Insecurities and groove on how exceptionally WELL founded they are. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Might make the switch from 6.5 CM to 308 Big Stick #16658950 11/26/21
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,515 Likes: 4 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Stick Gooch', The Astute will take notes and connect dots by literal default and Droolers will simply keep on droolin'. Hint. The Paper Hat Brigade fixates none of the things that matter and swoon headstamps,which are by and large meaningless. Recoil reduction,benefits everyone. Fending atmospherics,benefits everyone. Conjoining same in Factory Fodder,do not "hurt" the equation. That said projectile is routinely offered in same,ain't a step backwards either. Hint.(grin) I get to listen to this CLUELESS Schit all of the fhuqking time and it of course cracks me the fhuqk up! Simply because I shoot it all and then some,it is hardly "daunting" to toss at least one of everything thus far cited in my crummy and let Newbs extrapolate via Spent Primers. NOBODY is gonna say "YEP...just like I thought,I REALLY want a 308 and a 30-'06 now!",or even fhuqking CLOSE. Them realizations add ZERO to the cost and only strengthen the chain. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! NONE of these gals has anything bordering a FIRST Fhuqking Clue and they really like to prove it,by simply doing their best. Which of course,only bolsters the HILARITY. Hint. I'm at ease,in fueling Crying Karen Melting Snowflake Insecurities and groove on how exceptionally WELL founded they are. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................. Hah look at the ballistic coefficient of that fat cork bobber! Dog I rescued in January

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