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Is there a reason why mom and “new guy” are outside?? If they didn’t have the kids, and didn’t want him there, THEY should have stayed inside, and asked him to leave, followed by a call to the cops. WHY go outside with him?? It’s ONE thing if he was trying to get in the house, but WHY go outside, to escalate the argument??

This is a tough one, but again, a guy shouting on your porch doesn’t quite rise to the level of going OUTSIDE with him, and adding a gun to the equation. You HAD a “physical barrier” between yourself and him, he WASN’T a threat to you or stealing property UNTIL you opened the door and went out there and escalated the argument FURTHER.

If a drunk homeless guy is on your porch (but NOT busting through the front door), should you go out there with a gun, or do you stay inside/tell him to leave/call cops??

(At least before he was told to leave) did Dad have a legal right to get his kids there at 315??? If they weren’t there, why wasn’t he told earlier (phone) or through the door??

Dad was stupid for not leaving, but the same could be said of Arbery, and look where those defendants who shot him are going....

This say the incident occurred at the ex-wife's house, does that make a difference?

https://www.lubbockonline.com/story...ock-judge-case-investigation/8765295002/

The PC carbine can take double stack Ruger or Glock magazines and comes with a separate magazine well for each, Looks like that guy was packing a thirty-round (or more??) magazine, not that that makes any difference to the law.

Was the shooter in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm?

I don't see it.

No, the kids weren't there. It looks like this entire incident stems from the kids being somewhere else, going by the discussion on the video

House belongs to the ex-wife's boyfriend, she was living there with him.

Yes, but did Dad have legal right to be there on the porch to pick up kids??

Castle Doctrine in Texas says you DON’T have to retreat, but then again, it doesn’t really give you the right to ADVANCE (ie: OPEN a locked door/physical barrier, go OUTSIDE, ESCALATE the argument, THEN shoot a guy when argument goes south). There WAS physical separation. Call the cops and wait for them to remove him.

Little man is a huge vagina, plain and simple.

It's reasonable to fear for your life if an angry man is in your face, saying things suggestive of violence towards you, to include that he's going to take the gun from you, and making moves suggesting he's intent on doing so.

When the little guy introduced a firearm to an argument, I would have to say it was the big guy who was suddenly in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm.


Either way, when two hot-heads collide, Darwin is likely to win.

Adds a whole 'nother wrinkle to the situation, it'll be interesting to see the ouutcome of this case.

Big guy was really stupid, and now dead.

Little guy was also stupid, but slightly less, he is alive.

Win to the little guy.

Yes, but the shooter was at his home, after commanding the trespasser to leave, and the dead guy was a trespasser. So, they weren't standing on the same legal ground at the point the gun was brought into the picture.

Unlikely this is the first run in between these two guys.

Looked to me like the guy who got shot had partial custody of his kid, showed up at the appointed time to pick him up, and his wife would not produce the kid.

If that's true, I don't blame the "trespasser" for getting pissed and not leaving. And I wonder how that would change the culpability of the wife. If she was denying him his visitation, she had to know that would set him off.

I may be wrong but I think the Texas law specifies deadly force after dark.

If all that's true, and it may well be, then his solution was to report it to the courts and arrange to have Sheriff's Deputies with him every time he comes to pick up his kid till his wife starts cooperating with the court orders. Getting in the face of a guy who comes out of his home with a gun and demands you leave isn't the right move.

A whole lot of stupid all the way around.

Yep, as is usually the case in these situations.

Curious what the near future holds for the remaining players,

The X still be with the current flavor of the month?

Kids all messed up from this?

The shooter regretting ever dicking that chic?

Relationships with kids are hard,

Relationships with step kids are a whole nother level of difficulty,

Now add in courts and lawyer fees, loss of child support,

Way too much baggage here,

I'd say all of their lives took a huge down stoke from this.