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''it is going to be hard to find a full jury that thinks the shooting was necessary when this thread full of gun guys is torn on the legality of this event.''
--oakster
That is right. You just described a hung jury which means the little guy walks. Walks back ta his cell, ta wait for the next trial.
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However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly.
"He is far from Stupid"
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However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly. People wanna see a short, loudmouth @sshole go ta prison. And that scares the shat outta elky.
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It was Read's current wife that filmed it.
She sure was awfully calm after her husband was shot and killed in front of her eyes...
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There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...
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The jury will be asked to base this on a reasonable persons thoughts and concerns.... The jury will be asked to base this on a reasonable persons thoughts and concerns render a verdict on the testimony and evidence, and no more.... The jury also is required to accept the law in accordance with the jury charges given by the judge, which includes any charges accepted in Texas and could well involve the discussion of a reasonable person standard as a component of self-defense law. The jury cannot just listen to the testimony and evidence and filter it through whatever it thinks the law may be or should be. Uh, yeah, I'd think most intelligent people reading would understand you "apply" the law to the testimony and evidence, thus no need to write every minute detail. But....there is something called jury nullification for those laws the citizens feel are wrong, and the jury does have final say, most of the time.
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However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly. He wasn’t violent, until manlet grabbed his gun. #1 I wouldn’t force myself in a dispute over a custody battle that was none of my business, unless it got physical. #2 I wouldn’t fire any [bleep] warning shots, #3 if I did decide to pull a weapon I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot him as he advanced, not wait until he’s just standing there, ten feet away.
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However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly. A 54 year white guy raises his voice and you feel physically assaulted?
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People wanna see a short, loudmouth @sshole go ta prison.
And that scares the shat outta elky.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly. A 54 year white guy raises his voice and you feel physically assaulted? NO.. But the 54 year white guy stepped onto the porch and made contact, pushing with his chest. Little guy fired a warning shot or missed when he went for the foot. Then the 54 year guy threw him off his own porch. And he THEN got double tapped for it.....
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I'm pretty sure the shooting occurred here. https://lubbockcad.org/Property-Detail/PropertyQuickRefID/R85911/PartyQuickRefID/O0028335Sure looks like the house in the videos when you look at from google street view off of Avenue U.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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chest bumps can be lethal. What if he bumped Elkie's pace maker and turned it off? However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly. A 54 year white guy raises his voice and you feel physically assaulted? NO.. But the 54 year white guy stepped onto the porch and made contact, pushing with his chest. Little guy fired a warning shot or missed when he went for the foot. Then the 54 year guy threw him off his own porch. And he THEN got double tapped for it.....
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And your title is a bit misleading, wasn't much of a "shootout". True that.
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For the Carruth/Read shooting, this is the correct legal analysis (as already posted by rangersedge): https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=3JyVw5LU8EA&feature=youtu.beThe shooter, at the time he fired, was not under a threat of physical harm. The victim was standing 10 feet away, arms at his side, and not advancing towards the shooter. While true the shooter was under threat of physical harm earlier in the altercation, he did not shoot then. Once the threat of physical harm ends, there is no right to use deadly force in self-defense. Since there was no physical threat when he shot, the shooter will not be able to successfully claim he acted in self-defense.
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I forgot #4
I am sure I wouldn’t tell random people I was going to kill Chad Read before it happened.
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Uh, yeah, I'd think most intelligent people reading would understand you "apply" the law to the testimony and evidence, thus no need to write every minute detail.
That's why I typed it out for you.
"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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What the family court system has systematically and by design done to this country is probably the worst thing that has ever been done to the people of this country. This^^^ Family law has contributed as much to conflict as the inherent conflict in child custody and visitation disputes to begin with.
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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However much I’d like to legally just shoot dumb mother [bleep], I can’t.
Hopefully that changes sometime soon. Being PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED on your own property by an illegal trespasser, according to you Carruth has no right to defend himself. That "is" what you are saying......very clearly. People wanna see a short, loudmouth @sshole go ta prison. And that scares the shat outta elky. But then again, everything scares the Schitt out of ELKTURDBURGLAR.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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^^^^^^
Little man syndrome,
😂 Yep. Not to mention batschitt crazy. And His Village called, they’re missing their Idiot.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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He will walk and when he does they can't sue him. Not necessarily true, predicated on charges....
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He will walk and when he does they can't sue him. Not necessarily true, predicated on charges.... criminal and civil charges have different standards of proof. Of course someone can be held civilly liable after a not guilty verdict in a criminal proceeding
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