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Alot of us know how you do things Buzz, that's for damn sure
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It's not a black and white case. If that was anything close to reality then wardens would still cite for title 23 trespass to hunt. If it were such a clear cit case judge Castor wouldn't have found Kearney innocent of corner crossing. If it was so clear the Wyoming state AG wouldn't have written a legal opinion that it's not a trespassing violation under title 23. Doubtful the gf director would send out a memo to to every warden in the state saying they can't write a citation for it either
If it was so black and white a couple posters here wouldn't be pissing down both legs playing perry mason.
Litigating this type of case is as American as apple pie...it's how we do things. Fraudster Buzz and his BHA minions have been exposed and now all he can do is argue against himself. Remember, everyone, BHA is a fraud and they steal peoples' money to undermine the rule of law. You can do your part by reporting their fundraiser for fraud: https://www.gofundme.com/contact/suggest/fraud
Eliminate qualified immunity and you'll eliminate cops who act like they are above the law.
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I wondered if these 4 wyoming lawyers are doing this pro bono whats the 30,000 for?
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Nothing spells prick better than some of the WY ranchers.
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Nothing spells prick better than some of the WY ranchers. I'm sure there's plenty in S.D too
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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite)
But I can't fathom how BHA HQ doesn't get behind this and cough up some cash, even if a measly amount. They constantly point to their volunteers and state chapter's and all they do. Yet who is raking in the cash? Hint, it's not the volunteers or state chapter's doing the work.
That is the biggest issue most have with bha. The avg. Joe paying a membership fee is called upon to pay up to belong, volunteer their time, and then when a call to action appears is expected to foot the bill. All while the head HQ rakes in the cash and just donates to leftist PACs and campaigns.
It doesn't pass the common sense test.
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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite)
But I can't fathom how BHA HQ doesn't get behind this and cough up some cash, even if a measly amount. They constantly point to their volunteers and state chapter's and all they do. Yet who is raking in the cash? Hint, it's not the volunteers or state chapter's doing the work.
That is the biggest issue most have with bha. The avg. Joe paying a membership fee is called upon to pay up to belong, volunteer their time, and then when a call to action appears is expected to foot the bill. All while the head HQ rakes in the cash and just donates to leftist PACs and campaigns.
It doesn't pass the common sense test. Yep while Land gets his paltry 140,000 salary, while the avg 2 income household i believe is 78,000 in montana
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IMO, ranchers gave zero rights keeping people off public lands. WY is the worst place in the USA for these greedy suckers!
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I wish the individuals involved well and hope they win. I think "intent" should be taken into account, they had no intention to trespass or hunt on private property (hence why G&F didn't cite)
But I can't fathom how BHA HQ doesn't get behind this and cough up some cash, even if a measly amount. They constantly point to their volunteers and state chapter's and all they do. Yet who is raking in the cash? Hint, it's not the volunteers or state chapter's doing the work.
That is the biggest issue most have with bha. The avg. Joe paying a membership fee is called upon to pay up to belong, volunteer their time, and then when a call to action appears is expected to foot the bill. All while the head HQ rakes in the cash and just donates to leftist PACs and campaigns.
It doesn't pass the common sense test. Buzzy disagrees. BHA heroes like buzzy hunt off of public closed forest service roads so its all good lol Are BHA heroes like Buzzy, Land Tawney, Charles post and Randy Newburg working on more gun control measures to help sportsmen procure and maintain public hunting grounds? BHA just pimps public lands to make a buck and sportsmen have fewer and fewer hunting opportunities every year. Not one cent from BHA goobers to actually do what they advertise.
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While I understand the legalities.....as a landowner who is quite protective of my property, I cannot see getting twisted up over someone corner crossing. Whether swinging a leg over a fence or using the corner gates with a vehicle, I'm not wrapped tight enough to deny access to land because you need a few square feet of mine to get from one section to another.
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[quote=Ranch13][quote=BillyGoatGruff][
One could, and it is often made. I disagree though (obviously lol). Public is public land. It’s said “you want land to hunt buy it”. The converse is no less applicable. “You want to treat that land as your own then buy it” Well maybe you could help me figure out one of the things that's always somewhat puzzled me? What is it about being a landowner that disqualifies the landowner from having the same claim to "public" lands as the average urbanite? And what is it about the average urbanite that gives them more claim to the "public" land than the landowner that dutifully pays the rental fee to the appropriate govt agency? They have the same rights as I do. Hunt or sunbath nude. Doesn't matter. When they lease land, what is it for? Are specifics spelled out?
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While I understand the legalities.....as a landowner who is quite protective of my property, I cannot see getting twisted up over someone corner crossing. Whether swinging a leg over a fence or using the corner gates with a vehicle, I'm not wrapped tight enough to deny access to land because you need a few square feet of mine to get from one section to another. exactly. common sense
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
Air rights only extend to certain heights in most jurisdictions, usually to align with the height that aircraft fly. A helicopter that flies at, say, 20 ft above private property is generally trespassing. At 2000 ft, it's probably in authorized flight lanes and thus not trespassing.
Eliminate qualified immunity and you'll eliminate cops who act like they are above the law.
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In uncontrolled airspace I think aircraft are suppose to stay above 500' from buildings dont know if that applies to land without buildings, I imagine it wouldn't require having to stay higher.
500' required for fixed wing, helicopters there is no requirement as long as its not hazardous.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
Air rights only extend to certain heights in most jurisdictions, usually to align with the height that aircraft fly. A helicopter that flies at, say, 20 ft above private property is generally trespassing. At 2000 ft, it's probably in authorized flight lanes and thus not trespassing. Covered in title 10 no height requirements.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
Air rights only extend to certain heights in most jurisdictions, usually to align with the height that aircraft fly. A helicopter that flies at, say, 20 ft above private property is generally trespassing. At 2000 ft, it's probably in authorized flight lanes and thus not trespassing. Thank you.
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
Air rights only extend to certain heights in most jurisdictions, usually to align with the height that aircraft fly. A helicopter that flies at, say, 20 ft above private property is generally trespassing. At 2000 ft, it's probably in authorized flight lanes and thus not trespassing. Covered in title 10 no height requirements. Come on Buzz read the FAA requirements, its not just no requirements depending on aircraft and if buildings are involved
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If they own the air above the private ground what happens when they use a helicopter to access public ground?
Air rights only extend to certain heights in most jurisdictions, usually to align with the height that aircraft fly. A helicopter that flies at, say, 20 ft above private property is generally trespassing. At 2000 ft, it's probably in authorized flight lanes and thus not trespassing. Covered in title 10 no height requirements. Come on Buzz read the FAA requirements, its not just no requirements depending on aircraft and if buildings are involved I've read them well aware of the regs. What do they say about drones...
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