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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

I'm pretty sure you do, I can't remember though (I usually buy multiple items when I shop and there's always a flash of the licence required, no overly memorable event). Also powder is classed as an explosive and, in addition to showing your licence, it goes into a register that you have to sign off on -


mauserand9mm is correct, primers require a licence these days. Only inert components( brass, bullets, wads, hulls etc) do not.

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Question for Aussies:

Does anyone think that your more restrictive (as compared with the US) gun laws have reduced crime? Did the laws passed in the 1990s (including confiscation) cause any reduction of crime? Or were there demographic factors involved.

Here in the US, homicides by ethnic group are 19.8 per 100,000 for blacks, 6.4 per 100,000 for Hispanics, and only 1.7 per 100,000 for whites. The 1.7 figure is lower than most European countries.


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Your freedoms keep you guys shit scared full time. The greatest amount of diatribe slandering of other countries is the result of deep seated fear and insecurity ingrained in alot of you guys. Maybe if you guys had a better standard of living, and life satisfaction, you'd understand.

Been to Australia 3 times your standard of living and satisfaction isn't any better or higher then the u.s
I wasn't overly impressed

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Jstuart once told me the hoops one need jump through to obtain semi autos or handguns wasn't worth the trouble to him.


Not quite, a pistol licence is easy enough for club use...just paperwork. Semi auto is more convoluted...I can get such put on my licence but have absolutely no interest in doing so.
Those who have a disability can, and to be frank that is the only reason I would consider one for myself.

License, interesting that your require a license. Why?

rickhead, how are the school shootings going over there? What's the count so far this year? Why don't the armed heros over there come out of the closet and protect the children? Too busy posting about their freedoms on the internet I suppose, or pussys deep down maybe?

I( have been arguing for people to carry in schools for a long time now. Some states are allowing it and some aren't. Seems the ones not allowing it are the ones having the shootings. The big problem here is Democrats and week Republicans. Teachers and teachers unions are another. They prefer throwing rocks or balls and arming with clubs than really doing anything to defend kids.

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Forgot about this thread.

I could much dig the remoteness of the wilder areas of Australia. I don't have to have mountains or oceans, or any specific landform or feature. I treasure aloneness.

I do appreciate the lawful liberty of most Americans to be armed as they live life. But I also get it that in a land the size of America with the population density of Australia, that the imperative to be armed is less of a deal.

If my fortune took me to Australia, I'd adapt and be happy. I'd never culturally be an Australian, but I'd enjoy trying.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Question for Aussies:

Does anyone think that your more restrictive (as compared with the US) gun laws have reduced crime? Did the laws passed in the 1990s (including confiscation) cause any reduction of crime? Or were there demographic factors involved.

Here in the US, homicides by ethnic group are 19.8 per 100,000 for blacks, 6.4 per 100,000 for Hispanics, and only 1.7 per 100,000 for whites. The 1.7 figure is lower than most European countries.

Firearm related deaths were on the decline since before the tighter restrictions were introduced, but any real effect of the restrictions would only be speculation since we don't have a "control" group to compare against.


https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=new-firearm-related-death-data-proves-nfas-real-ineffectiveness


Might want to search for other related documents here:


https://www.ssaa.org.au/news/research/research-archive/


We don't really have the social racial segregation that the US has - I think that most of our firearm violence is crime related without any racial factors. It's more a case of "Where's my money? I want my money!"




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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Forgot about this thread.

I could much dig the remoteness of the wilder areas of Australia. I don't have to have mountains or oceans, or any specific landform or feature. I treasure aloneness.

I do appreciate the lawful liberty of most Americans to be armed as they live life. But I also get it that in a land the size of America with the population density of Australia, that the imperative to be armed is less of a deal.

If my fortune took me to Australia, I'd adapt and be happy. I'd never culturally be an Australian, but I'd enjoy trying.
I just looked this up for another post.

Generally, in the lower 48 you cannot get more than 115mi from a McDonalds (as the crow flies). Might even be less these days.

There is a great deal of Australia's empty country that is more than 300mi from a McDonalds, and a reasonable area of the Western Desert which is more than 450mi from the nearest McDonalds. Given the poor road system in remote areas, the driven distance is much, much, further.

Plenty of space to forget other people exist if you want, but don't think that you are that alone. Many of these areas still have good populations of the traditional owners, Australian Aboriginies, and they pop up in the oddest places when you are in the middle of nowhere. Usually very friendly, always interested in you, and if they are not helpful it is because you are asking for something against their belief system (like directions to a sacred site, etc.).

Also, plenty of Camels in those areas. The big bulls are nearly a ton in weight.

As mentioned earlier, Australia has the only population of wild camels on the planet. Yet, only really two predators of note, the Dingo (Australia's equivalent to the Wolf) and the Saltwater Crocodile (a sneaky ambush predator). Unlike the US where you may be confronted by a possessive bear, or hungry Lion where you may need a handgun, such a thing is unnecessary with Dingos, and worthless with the Crocodile.

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The outback is beautiful during Autumn, Winter and Spring, but can be extremely harsh over Summer. Harsh, as in pack up and go to the coast for a few months.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Question for Aussies:

Does anyone think that your more restrictive (as compared with the US) gun laws have reduced crime? Did the laws passed in the 1990s (including confiscation) cause any reduction of crime? Or were there demographic factors involved.

Here in the US, homicides by ethnic group are 19.8 per 100,000 for blacks, 6.4 per 100,000 for Hispanics, and only 1.7 per 100,000 for whites. The 1.7 figure is lower than most European countries.

They claim its about the same or a small drop. The background factor is Australia has doubled police per capita(twice as many cops on the street) since the 90's and the incarceration rate has also doubled. Thats not a net positive effect, except for a dictator in a banana republic maybe.

laws brought in for massacres are an argument full of holes anyway. A massacre as bad as it sounds is just 40 people shot up every 20 years or so. Meanwhile there are a steady 600 killed in regular homicides every year in the same time.

All the billions spent in weapons registration and extra police salaries, claiming to save 20-40 folks from a potential massacre when 15.600 still got murdered.

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Makes it hard even to plink or load test. I remember shooting in the early 80's as a kid on my grandfathers 10 acre block. It was on a road down to a local beach, not built up, but not remote either. Most of the blocks were between 1/4 acre to 10 acre allotments. We were just plinking paint cans and trees for fun with 22LR, shotgun and 30-30 mostly. Looking back it must have created a hell of a racket, as at least a dozen houses were within rock throwing distance. But shooting noise back then was just considered regular occasional background noise, like dirt bikes or kids on ATV's. People thought, well those young fellas are shooting again, just as long as they dont keep it up all day its fine. With the world we live in now its hard to remember how well it worked before. One shot within earshot of that beach these days and ten folks would consider it civic duty to call police.

Interesting. My experience of growing up smack-dab in the middle of the states (Iowa) is about the same. NW Iowa is semi-rural, neither unpopulated or densely populated depending on one’s frame of reference. In the ‘60’s growing up before I could even drive, I’d carry my dads single shot 12 ga through town to get to the railroad tracks on the south edge. The ditches there held pheasants. I was always walking around with an air rifle shooting rabbits even before that. My home town was mostly made up of socially and politically conservative Dutch farmers and the like, mostly only a couple of generations past their forefathers immigration.

It’s a very heterogeneous town now with a small church-affiliated liberal arts college with its own self-appointed elite winking at our now annual Gay Pride Day.

I bet a kid wouldn’t get very far down the very route I took before being met by a lot of stern looking men with badges. Shy of breaking any laws, I’d almost like to test the proposition. 😉

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I think the fifties, sixities, seventies was the golden age in Australia.....

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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by 158XTP
Makes it hard even to plink or load test. I remember shooting in the early 80's as a kid on my grandfathers 10 acre block. It was on a road down to a local beach, not built up, but not remote either. Most of the blocks were between 1/4 acre to 10 acre allotments. We were just plinking paint cans and trees for fun with 22LR, shotgun and 30-30 mostly. Looking back it must have created a hell of a racket, as at least a dozen houses were within rock throwing distance. But shooting noise back then was just considered regular occasional background noise, like dirt bikes or kids on ATV's. People thought, well those young fellas are shooting again, just as long as they dont keep it up all day its fine. With the world we live in now its hard to remember how well it worked before. One shot within earshot of that beach these days and ten folks would consider it civic duty to call police.

Interesting. My experience of growing up smack-dab in the middle of the states (Iowa) is about the same. NW Iowa is semi-rural, neither unpopulated or densely populated depending on one’s frame of reference. In the ‘60’s growing up before I could even drive, I’d carry my dads single shot 12 ga through town to get to the railroad tracks on the south edge. The ditches there held pheasants. I was always walking around with an air rifle shooting rabbits even before that. My home town was mostly made up of socially and politically conservative Dutch farmers and the like, mostly only a couple of generations past their forefathers immigration.

It’s a very heterogeneous town now with a small church-affiliated liberal arts college with its own self-appointed elite winking at our now annual Gay Pride Day.

I bet a kid wouldn’t get very far down the very route I took before being met by a lot of stern looking men with badges. Shy of breaking any laws, I’d almost like to test the proposition. 😉

Sad but rings true.


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I think the fifties, sixities, seventies was the golden age in Australia.....

The slide downhill started in the 70s. I had the same interests as my father and I was born 1948. In the 60s I could do anything my father could do when he was late teens and early 20s.

With guns in Australia I think 158XTP has covered things well. Actually I think the basic difference is Australians are shooters, seen in our main gun magazine, The Sporting Shooter. Australians talk about going on a shooting trip next week. Non shooters will often day to you "when are you going shooting"The volume o shooting is extremely high compared to America. In general smaller calibres are used. A lot of shooters will use the 22 rimfire and 22 magnum on everything. 223 shooters will use them on anything that moves.

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