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MacArthur was America's Montgomery Oh boy you really summed it up there. If you say so. Tell that to the military scholars and historians, West Point staff, history books and all the officers inspired by him. And his troops who called him Dugout Doug?
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MacArthur stood up to the commie and organized crime lackey in the whitehouse at the cost of his career and by doing so almost single handedly held at bay the bullshit we're now facing for decades. He deserves our eternal gratitude for that. Truman? Surely not? Truman was an honest man. The Senator from Pendergast 
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They were our friends and ally in the region. Japs were kicking the crap out of them. Atrocity and murder of innocents.
It was a Jap beat down that was necessary. True, but beating Japan into submission was the over riding necessity. How many Filipinos were killed in the fighting to retake the Philippines vs. how many would have been killed if the place had been left as is until Japan surrendered? Would the money and effort been better directed against the Jap home islands? The question remains, what could those Japs in the Philippines have done to stave off the defeat of Japan? McArthur had to go directly to Roosevelt and cajole him into agreeing to over ride Nimitz who wanted to bypass the Philippines. I believe a man like Patton would have understood that Japan was the target. Speaking of killing Japs Curtis LeMay would have been executed as a war criminal if the Japs won. His bombing and fire bombing campaign killed more Japs than anyone. He knew what needed to be done.
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They were our friends and ally in the region. Japs were kicking the crap out of them. Atrocity and murder of innocents.
It was a Jap beat down that was necessary. True, but beating Japan into submission was the over riding necessity. How many Filipinos were killed in the fighting to retake the Philippines vs. how many would have been killed if the place had been left as is until Japan surrendered? Would the money and effort been better directed against the Jap home islands? The question remains, what could those Japs in the Philippines have done to stave off the defeat of Japan? McArthur had to go directly to Roosevelt and cajole him into agreeing to over ride Nimitz who wanted to bypass the Philippines. I believe a man like Patton would have understood that Japan was the target. The Navy wanted to hit Formosa before Japan. I think having Americans in Japanese captivity was enough of a reason to liberate PI. At least it has been enough of a reason in the past.
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MacArthur stood up to the commie and organized crime lackey in the whitehouse at the cost of his career and by doing so almost single handedly held at bay the bullshit we're now facing for decades. He deserves our eternal gratitude for that. Truman? Surely not? Truman was an honest man. The Senator from Pendergast Pendergast was the city machine boss in Kansas City, Mo. Is there any indication that Truman was dishonest? I know Pendergast was, but does that make Truman dishonest? Trump had to deal with unions and Democrats in a previous life but he was an honest and good president. As an aside, when Pendergast died after being disgraced and imprisoned Truman did not do the political thing, he attended Pendergast's funeral when no other politician would. He was quoted saying "he was always my friend, and I have always been his". That took guts and firing that pompous ass general took guts, and was the right thing to do. I bet Trump wishes he would have done the same with his political general. Milley
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MacArthur stood up to the commie and organized crime lackey in the whitehouse at the cost of his career and by doing so almost single handedly held at bay the bullshit we're now facing for decades. He deserves our eternal gratitude for that. Truman? Surely not? Truman was an honest man. The Senator from Pendergast Pendergast was the city machine boss in Kansas City, Mo. Is there any indication that Truman was dishonest? I know Pendergast was, but does that make Truman dishonest? Trump had to deal with unions and Democrats in a previous life but he was an honest and good president. As an aside, when Pendergast died after being disgraced and imprisoned Truman did not do the political thing, he attended Pendergast's funeral when no other politician would. He was quoted saying "he was always my friend, and I have always been his". That took guts and firing that pompous ass general took guts, and was the right thing to do. I bet Trump wishes he would have done the same with his political general. Milley Pendergast was a mob boss who controlled and collected tribute from all prohibition era liquor traffic in KC. He did a better job than most of maintaining a plausible public front though and only went down for tax evasion. But then again tax evasion was what got Capone too. Truman was bought and paid for by Pendergast - he owed every political job he ever got to him, with the exception of the Presidency (which of course he owed to Roosevelt's death). Without Pendergast, Truman was nothing but a bankrupt haberdasher. The idea that Truman was honest is laughable
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MacArthur stood up to the commie and organized crime lackey in the whitehouse at the cost of his career and by doing so almost single handedly held at bay the bullshit we're now facing for decades. He deserves our eternal gratitude for that. Truman? Surely not? Truman was an honest man. The Senator from Pendergast Pendergast was the city machine boss in Kansas City, Mo. Is there any indication that Truman was dishonest? I know Pendergast was, but does that make Truman dishonest? Trump had to deal with unions and Democrats in a previous life but he was an honest and good president. As an aside, when Pendergast died after being disgraced and imprisoned Truman did not do the political thing, he attended Pendergast's funeral when no other politician would. He was quoted saying "he was always my friend, and I have always been his". That took guts and firing that pompous ass general took guts, and was the right thing to do. I bet Trump wishes he would have done the same with his political general. Milley Pendergast was a mob boss who controlled and collected tribute from all prohibition era liquor traffic in KC. He did a better job than most of maintaining a plausible public front though and only went down for tax evasion. But then again tax evasion was what got Capone too. Truman was bought and paid for by Pendergast - he owed every political job he ever got to him, with the exception of the Presidency (which of course he owed to Roosevelt's death). Without Pendergast, Truman was nothing but a bankrupt haberdasher. The idea that Truman was honest is laughable Maybe he was dishonest, but I don't believe it. I do admire his decision to give McArthur the boot.
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They both had strong military leadership skills, but MacArthur was heavily involved in Washington politics. I much prefer Patton. He was the best US operational general of WWII.
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Maybe he was dishonest, but I don't believe it. I do admire his decision to give McArthur the boot.
He booted McArthur because McArthur was being too effective against the Chinese Communists, who Truman wanted to ensure retained a grip on the Korean peninsula. How was that admirable? Millions of people live in literal slavery to this day because of Truman's communist sympathies. The US public certainly didn't think it was admirable after McArthur's congressional testimony.
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I have never been able to understand why Macarthur didn't have the defense alerted for the attack on the Philippines.
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Maybe he was dishonest, but I don't believe it. I do admire his decision to give McArthur the boot.
He booted McArthur because McArthur was being too effective against the Chinese Communists, who Truman wanted to ensure retained a grip on the Korean peninsula. How was that admirable? Millions of people live in literal slavery to this day because of Truman's communist sympathies. The US public certainly didn't think it was admirable after McArthur's congressional testimony. He should have booted MacArthur sooner
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