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I think it's time for someone to throw down the "My dad can beat your dad" gauntlet.

Wouldn’t matter, the Leupold threads are the Groundhog Day equivalent campfire movie.

And probably most often started by one who wants to watch it again.....

John, I'd bet the weight of the brass erector tube is likely why the turrets were positioned so far forward? The Signature 8-32 I mentioned had the adjustable Light Collector on the objective. On bright sunny days shooting over snow, it made a big difference. It also had the Posi Lock system for locking the erector tube into place to prevent POI changes. That system worked too...you had to learn to 'lead' it a bit as it loaded the erector tube when tightened. Once set, it never moved.

After a few seasons, I replaced the 8-32 Burris with a Leupold 6.5-20X50 VX III and it too gave excellent service.

When Burris revamped their 6 power A.O. HBR scope for Hunter Benchrest competition and tagged it the HBRII, it used the Posi Lock standoff on the tube but instead of the locking mechanism, it had a coil spring in it to keep the erector tube loaded, along with two flat leaf springs. The adjustments were 1/5" (.020) rather than the earlier versions 1/8" adjustments. Tracking was spot on but both of the two I had suffered from parallax issues that could never be resolved despite multiple trips back to Burris for tune ups. Since I had an 'extra' , I disassembled it and could see why the parallax issue was there and why it couldn't be fixed unless they redid the reticle cell design. They never did and folded the line up shortly after.

I reassembled the one I'd taken apart and it's been on a very accurate Remington 541T .22 for many years now.

Thanks again..stay warm. -Al

Could not agree more !!!!!!!

I can't agree or disagree. But my VX5s have been absolutely flawless. Track great and hold zero perfectly.

That is good and I've heard that before about those. Tract scopes and binoculars are an incredible value. I have Nightforce, Zeiss, U.S. Optics, Meopta, S&B and Tract Toric scopes are right there with them in quality fir much less cost

Al,

Yep, the turrets on the brass-erector tube Burris's were moved forward for leverage reasons.

Ran into that parallax problem now and then. In 1995 they sent me a new variable once for a big game hunt I was planning, as I recall a 3-9x or so, and the only magnification where there wasn't any parallax was the top end. I tend to prefer magnification somewhere in the middle of that for most big game hunting, so told 'em what was happening. They said that's just the way things are--apparently due to the brass erector tube. It wasn't too long afterward that they started revamping the line-up--without the brass tubes.

Good hunting,
John

Yep then here comes the scOpe X'spurts with their faulty erectors.....

Can you guys believe the rifle scope design engineers that hang around here ?

You mean like the Burris scope expert that you are

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LFC = Leupold Fan Club?

Do you honestly think that most who experienced repeated troubles with any scope brand started out desiring to not get good service from and be dissatisfied with the product that they selected and traded hard earned money to obtain?

I am brand loyal when I have good experienced but if I get burned by a company, I never go back. After many years as a Ford guy, I wouldn't take one now if you gave it to me. I got burned by them and will never go back.

As for Leupold, I have at least 10 of their scopes and have never had a problem. There may be people who have had other experiences but, so far, not me. I will keep buying them unless/until I get burned.

I also have a couple other optics that have been good so far. I have a couple Trijicons that have been good and a Meopta that has also been good. I have bought other lower-priced brands without good results.

On the HBRII I disassembled, the reticle lens cell had two lenses. One lens had the horizontal cross hair and dot on it. The other lens had the vertical cross hair on it and fitted against each other in the brass ring that supported them. Evidently the small gap created from the thickness of the wires/dot manifested as the parallax issue. You could eliminate the horizontal parallax, you could eliminate the vertical parallax...but you could never clear both horizontal and vertical at the same time. This remained a constant at any of the yardages we shot at (100-200-300) or in any lighting condition.

It's amazing that scopes work as well as they do.....

Thanks again for the industry insight. -Al

I apologize in advance. I'm not trying to poke fun at you or your post, and I get where you are coming from on how difficult is is to go back to something that you feel let you down. But, I'd like to use an element from your post to satirically summarize how I view the ongoing Leupold debate:


But Ford's are awesome. I've never had a single problem with 3 Fords that I used as grocery getters and never towed with or took off road, so I can't possibly fathom the reality that you, or anyone else, ever had a problem with a Ford.

I never had a problem with a Ford....because I never owned one

Hey bud my erector is still fine

I figured you for a Toyota guy from the outset.

Haven't you heard: Everyone should support Ford. They are a great American company who engineer and assemble in the the USA (most of the time) some great vehicles from foreign and domestically sourced parts.

Unless, throughout other posts, someone has proven themselves a liar, I assume everybody who claims to have had a bad or a good experience with a particular brand of scope is telling the truth. It simply amazes me how such a discussion turns into a sophomoric "you suck" type of discussion. I know, I know, "hey TBS, shut your trap and go back to sitting on the couch and licking windows". Yes, my spidy sense does go off when someone says "I know a guy who knows his stuff and he had 43 of these all puke while only being mounted on 22 rimfires". Ya, sure you do.

Lots of guys claim that.

Buddy of mine used that same VX5 3-15 this year on a 300 Win Mag - ranged a cow elk at 612 yds, dialed elevation and dropped it. I have a few older Leupolds but haven't bought a new one in years. That VX5 2-10 you mentioned looks interesting...

Lots of guys don't know the difference.
dave