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MM, I ordered three boxes of those 9mm for Black Friday. How do you like them? I've read a few of dla's posts where he is slagging off small 9mm with high capacity. Not sure what that is actually about. I'm wearing a Glock 19 at the moment, but I'm really liking the 43X for a smaller carry, that has a good full-hand grip, and shoots well. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/9QsD4vH.jpg) I like them for the carry because they make the pistol noticeably lighter than the 147's or 135's. They hit where they are aimed. They ARE louder. And they are expensive. If a smaller and lighter carry is what one is looking for, they are worth consideration. I need to chrono them one of these days. I have barrels in 3.4", 4". 4.5" and 6". I believe the 1800 fps rating is based on a 4" barrel.
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Need vs Want:
I think it's 90% Want and 10% Need.
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Waders, Which Holosun?
I think my 15+1 capacity P365 XL with its Holosun red dot
507K-X2
Wade
"Let's Roll!" - Todd Beamer 9/11/01.
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Thx to MM and Waders
Waders, what holster do you use?
“Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils.” - General
John Stark.
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If I need it I want it, if I want it I need it. See how that works
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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My rule of thumb is want becomes need after 30 days. If I still want it after 30 days, I need it. 😁
Chronographs, bore scopes and pattern boards have broke a lot of hearts.
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My rule of thumb is want becomes need after 30 days. If I still want it after 30 days, I need it. 😁 At this point in my life, everything flies quickly past "want" to "need". And the word "budget" occupies little space in the equation. 😁
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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... lots of shiney bobbles... I'm speaking about optical sights, 15 shot micro-pistols, etc. for "carry" pistols.
What do you think? I think my 15+1 capacity P365 XL with its Holosun red dot is an excellent EDC choice for IWB carry. I am going to add a light in the near future, but even as it sits, it's a good choice. The red dot allows me to aim more precisely than my eyes allow with iron sights. I typically don't carry it to and from work, because I prefer a larger frame gun OWB, under my suit jacket, but I have it with me today and don't feel undergunned. I also think that anyone who categorizes high capacity small pistols with optics as "bobbles" ought to run one before proffering opinions not based upon facts. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/Cm1OqsN.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/JL6k07c.jpg) Wade, big <LIKE> on those results. Looks like you've got your "needs" figured out.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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There is a very strong market for stuff people want as opposed to what people need.
What they need is a giant pile of ammo and a place to shoot. What they want is to play fantasy dress up.
There millions of new shooters out there who are just beginning to try stuff. They've got some free money from Uncle Sam and manufacturers have put lots of shiney bobbles in front of them. I'm speaking about optical sights, 15 shot micro-pistols, etc. for "carry" pistols.
What do you think? I think it is their money and they are entitled to spend it as they wish.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
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There is a very strong market for stuff people want as opposed to what people need.
What they need is a giant pile of ammo and a place to shoot. What they want is to play fantasy dress up.
There millions of new shooters out there who are just beginning to try stuff. They've got some free money from Uncle Sam and manufacturers have put lots of shiney bobbles in front of them. I'm speaking about optical sights, 15 shot micro-pistols, etc. for "carry" pistols.
What do you think? I think it is their money and they are entitled to spend it as they wish. Hell yes. I really like my HK P30L. Not a 9mm fan but understand what it is and why its decent. Run a P365 as my small every day rig. Its sweet as is. Might get a VP9 for a mid size 9mm. Three would be enough 
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If I need it I want it, if I want it I need it. See how that works
Pretty much, want it at first, then after a couple weeks need it and justify it. My safe has plenty that me and my sons may need some day.
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If I need it I want it, if I want it I need it. See how that works
Pretty much, want it at first, then after a couple weeks need it and justify it. My safe has plenty that me and my sons may need some day. LOL 😆
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I always figure I need it because I don’t have it. Want has nothing to do with firearms😜
Guns don't kill people, it's mostly the bullets
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One of the most successful businessman that I personally know says you always want to get it in the line of something people want not that they need.
Last edited by ldholton; 12/08/21.
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There is a very strong market for stuff people want as opposed to what people need.
What they need is a giant pile of ammo and a place to shoot. What they want is to play fantasy dress up.
There millions of new shooters out there who are just beginning to try stuff. They've got some free money from Uncle Sam and manufacturers have put lots of shiney bobbles in front of them. I'm speaking about optical sights, 15 shot micro-pistols, etc. for "carry" pistols.
What do you think? If one can afford it there is no shame in buying something one does not need. I am buying another plastic-framed pos because I miss the old one I had. Thankfully the price on this item is not inflated like in pretty much everything else because of stupid pathetic political mishandling of the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Oxygen, food and water are needs, everything else is a want.
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Oxygen, food and water are needs, everything else is a want. Whoa...wait a minute...you forgot biscuits & gravy...definitely a need.
Wade
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For hunting and self defense all you really need is 1handgun, 1.22 rifle, 1 centerfire rifle of your favorite caliber, a muzzle loader & a shotgun. This should cover your gun needs, but wants have a mighty powerful pull on a man. Also in the event of a catastrophe an ar15 is a good idea. Matter of fact every red blooded American should own one.
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There is a very strong market for stuff people want as opposed to what people need.
What they need is a giant pile of ammo and a place to shoot. What they want is to play fantasy dress up.
There millions of new shooters out there who are just beginning to try stuff. They've got some free money from Uncle Sam and manufacturers have put lots of shiney bobbles in front of them. I'm speaking about optical sights, 15 shot micro-pistols, etc. for "carry" pistols.
What do you think? If one can afford it there is no shame in buying something one does not need. I am buying another plastic-framed pos because I miss the old one I had. Thankfully the price on this item is not inflated like in pretty much everything else because of stupid pathetic political mishandling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Somebody forgot to write in their stilted ESL language.
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