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Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.
And John was the greatest of them all said no less than Jesus who by the way also preached the grace of salvation produced by repentance and evidenced by the fruit of good works.


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Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."

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Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.
And John was the greatest of them all said no less than Jesus who by the way also preached the grace of salvation produced by repentance and evidenced by the fruit of good works.


This, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.

There's a lot of sermon topics and applications in the Bible that most preachers proclaim. John preached on more than one, which is what we read. Read the angel's message from God to Zachariah, John's Dad. He mentions more than one topic. They don't all include the gospel of salvation.
I'm not trying to argue, I'm just wondering,
Do you know what John the Baptist preached about salvation?

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Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree. I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.
I think the Baptism of Repentance that John the Baptist was preaching is very different from what many people think of it as being.



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Gabriel the angel said as recorded in Luke 1,

""But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

He certainly preached the gospel that folks had to believe before he would baptize them. However, there are things mentioned here that are to prepare Israel for their Messiah/ Christ. Some things John preached were to show the false teachers for who they were. The pharisees and Sadducees preached false work salvation gospels to their people, many who went to hear him preach.

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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.

There's a lot of sermon topics and applications in the Bible that most preachers proclaim. John preached on more than one, which is what we read. Read the angel's message from God to Zachariah, John's Dad. He mentions more than one topic. They don't all include the gospel of salvation.
I'm not trying to argue, I'm just wondering,
Do you know what John the Baptist preached about salvation?


I think Hastings covered it pretty well.

Prior to his death I believe he admonished his captors to repent of what he charged them with.

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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Do you know what John the Baptist preached about salvation?
Do you?


Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.

I agree, John was absolutely right.
To distinguish the walk of someone with the Lord after salvation with John's preaching of repentance FOR salvation, it's quoted by someone who listened to him preach.

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."
Acts 19:4

The people were told to quit trusting in the law and traditions of what became to be commonly taught in the Jewish religion and repent, meaning (change their minds ). Their Savior, Christ Jesus was beginning His ministry and preaching this as well. So they had to change their minds about the false belief they had in keeping the law and choose to believe in Christ.
Baptism was a work or first step of identifying with Christ AFTER they put their faith in Him...."that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ." Baptism was not a requirement for salvation, but a work of obedience following the free gift.

Does that make sense, Houston?

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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper


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"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Ephesians 2

" Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us...Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour."
Titus 3


"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Romans 11


What does the first sermon say by a first person student of the One Who saves?

"Repent and let each of you be baptised..." Acts 2:38


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.

I agree, John was absolutely right.
To distinguish the walk of someone with the Lord after salvation with John's preaching of repentance FOR salvation, it's quoted by someone who listened to him preach.

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."
Acts 19:4

The people were told to quit trusting in the law and traditions of what became to be commonly taught in the Jewish religion and repent, meaning (change their minds ). Their Savior, Christ Jesus was beginning His ministry and preaching this as well. So they had to change their minds about the false belief they had in keeping the law and choose to believe in Christ.
Baptism was a work or first step of identifying with Christ AFTER they put their faith in Him...."that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ." Baptism was not a requirement for salvation, but a work of obedience following the free gift.


Does that make sense, Ringman?

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I'm fairly sure, Jesus healed someone, and said,: "Go, and sin no more."


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I'm fairly sure, Jesus healed someone, and said,: "Go, and sin no more."


Who was that person?

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I'm not sure Huston.


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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Originally Posted by Houston_2
If it’s not needed then John The Baptist was barking up a tree.
I don’t think that he was. He was spot on.

I agree, John was absolutely right.
To distinguish the walk of someone with the Lord after salvation with John's preaching of repentance FOR salvation, it's quoted by someone who listened to him preach.

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."
Acts 19:4

The people were told to quit trusting in the law and traditions of what became to be commonly taught in the Jewish religion and repent, meaning (change their minds ). Their Savior, Christ Jesus was beginning His ministry and preaching this as well. So they had to change their minds about the false belief they had in keeping the law and choose to believe in Christ.
Baptism was a work or first step of identifying with Christ AFTER they put their faith in Him...."that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ." Baptism was not a requirement for salvation, but a work of obedience following the free gift.

Does that make sense, Houston?



Yes, HC, it does make sense.

One could easily conceive that there’s no forgiveness without repentance but He asked that they be forgiven for they know not what they do. From that one could assume in some manner that ignorance doesn’t necessarily mean total condemnation.

I realize that’s stretching things out pretty far.

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Originally Posted by Houston_2
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I'm fairly sure, Jesus healed someone, and said,: "Go, and sin no more."


Who was that person?


And I bet that they went ahead and sinned anyway. Can't stop a sinner doing what they do best.


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That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I'm not sure Huston.



No problem. I was just scratching my noggin trying to remember.

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I can't quote scripture off the top of my head.
I'm not that smart.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I can't quote scripture off the top of my head.
I'm not that smart.


Confession is good for the soul.
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Ro 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Paul doesn't mention repentance in this verse.


Jesus said, "unless you repent you will perish."

Acts 20:17-21 17 From Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called to him the elders of the church. 18 And when they had come to him, he said to them, “You yourselves know, from the first day that I set foot in [k]Asia, how I was with you the whole time, 19 serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials which came upon me [l]through the plots of the Jews; 20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and [m]from house to house, 21 solemnly testifying to both Jews and Greeks of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.


It is always fascinating to me to observe men choosing to divide and separate themselves from one another... over the tiniest nuance of a single precept.

While ignoring that the VAST MAJORITY of the world would rape either man's Chihuahua... then eat it for dinner.


Well they might be sorry about it, later




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