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Unions were very valuable back in the day.
Now they’re a scam.
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This action is being driven by the employees, not the union. The dispute is not over wages. It is over a new attendance policy. We work on call 24-7-365. We get no holidays and in some service no rest days. According to the new policy, if I lay off one day every two weeks beginning February 1st, I will be terminated by mid April.
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Almost 6 months during the Texas City Marathon strike.The company forced it and we lost big time.Most folks live too well these days to last long without a paycheck coming in.
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Railroads are a different beast because of interstate commerce. What Union is representing you? Also, I believe what you are talking about would be considered a "wildcat" strike in which case a judge could order you back to work. What railroad if you can say.
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This action is being driven by the employees, not the union. The dispute is not over wages. It is over a new attendance policy. We work on call 24-7-365. We get no holidays and in some service no rest days. According to the new policy, if I lay off one day every two weeks beginning February 1st, I will be terminated by mid April. Do you get paid for being on call? Was this policy in place when you accepted the job?
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It appears that the union has agreed to the new work rules.
Also looking like the board is running to generate maximum pay for union members.
So your issue is the board and how much time you have been runs.
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we went on strike at Johns Manville when the company snack bar raised co colas from a nickel to dime. Bastards!!!!
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Almost 6 months during the Texas City Marathon strike.The company forced it and we lost big time.Most folks live too well these days to last long without a paycheck coming in. Yup and the gamesters know it. Union and mgmnt in bed together. They never lose. The rank and file pays the price. And most of them too stupid to see it ( democrats ). You can spot em, they wear the union themed T shirts.
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we went on strike at Johns Manville when the company snack bar raised co colas from a nickel to dime. Bastards!!!! The clever use of propaganda, and an armed group of fat guys would of avoided the strike entirely.
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My union pension is a whopping 190.00 a month after putting money in for 18 years. Bastards stole all the money out, claiming bad investments
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This action is being driven by the employees, not the union. The dispute is not over wages. It is over a new attendance policy. We work on call 24-7-365. We get no holidays and in some service no rest days. According to the new policy, if I lay off one day every two weeks beginning February 1st, I will be terminated by mid April. The fact that this dispute is over a company (policy) and not over a legally binding collective bargaining agreement , will almost certainly be deemed a minor dispute and it is very unlikely that a strike would not be legal, and therefore would almost certainly be denied by the Union president . Any policy that is unreasonable would have to be arbitrated thru the National mediation board.
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This action is being driven by the employees, not the union. The dispute is not over wages. It is over a new attendance policy. We work on call 24-7-365. We get no holidays and in some service no rest days. According to the new policy, if I lay off one day every two weeks beginning February 1st, I will be terminated by mid April. Do you get paid for being on call? Was this policy in place when you accepted the job? No and no. We are paid by the round trip.
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Been on two labor strikes. First time was back in the mid '70s. The workforce had just voted yes overwhelmingly for union representation but the company disregarded the vote and refused to accept the union. Strike lasted around 4 months. The company finally was forced to accept the Yes vote per NLRB ruling.
Second time was in late '90s, same company but operating under a different name now having been sold a couple of times. Strike started out as a International encouraged, supported and authorized strike . The official strike itself only lasted a couple of weeks or so when the union membership voted to return to their jobs and work under the terms of the old contract while the union and company negotiators hash out an acceptable contract. As soon as the company found out about the return to work vote they instituted a formal 'lockout' preventing any of the hourly employees from stepping foot on company property which meant they also had to get rid of all union employees that had sneaked back and were working as 'scabs', too.
We remained 'locked out' for a bit over 4 years. The company ran with contract workers who worked through a company that specialized in working labor strikes. What happened next was the real kick in the gonads, though. After repeatedly promising to be there backing and supporting us for "forever and a day" the International pulled our local's charter and left the membership hanging with no support whatsoever and went on like we never existed. In the end it was the union hierarchy that did us much, much dirtier than the company.
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Almost, twice on the management side. I slept on a cot in my office awaiting the call to escort the union folks to the gate to ensure the continued safe operation of the refinery.
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Unions were very valuable back in the day.
Now they’re a scam. P Way back then, the railroads and meat packers, among others, were horrible places to work and the workers were treated like garbage. It took the unions and very strong hands to get decent working conditions and pay. Those days are gone now but the unions are still with us. About all they can do now is try for more pay and higher union dues. Apparently the situation in CA with all the unloaded containers is largely caused by the unions.
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Unions were very valuable back in the day.
Now they’re a scam. P Way back then, the railroads and meat packers, among others, were horrible places to work and the workers were treated like garbage. It took the unions and very strong hands to get decent working conditions and pay. Those days are gone now but the unions are still with us. About all they can do now is try for more pay and higher union dues. Apparently the situation in CA with all the unloaded containers is largely caused by the unions. A miner here in PA just died the other day. We have OSHA trying to mandate vaccines. Im not goin on and on, but unions are needed as much today and the day they started. Yes, some unions rape the employees, but damnit they still serve a purpose for most.
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My union just authorized a membership poll to vote on a strike. I believe it will pass resoundingly. Never been through one and given the industry I am in (railroad) I never thought I would be? If any of you have been, I would like to hear about it. Not trying to be an ass hole but why are you on here asking instead of talking to the union? What union represents you? Are you well versed in their constitution and bylaws? Almost always the contract is between the international and the company, not the local and the company. So when you said "my union" who are you speaking of? If its your locals president or other such board member/board, they got backing from the international. "This action is being driven by the employees, not the union." BS. Once again, the employees cannot do schit without the unions backing. The employees may have bitched, file a grievance, regardless its up to the union to organize a poll/vote. There are consequences(union dependent) for employees who undertake such actions on their own.....THAT is called a wildcat strike. If you arent hearing that term thrown around and youre not getting ripped out by the union.....then it was backed by the union. Period.
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Back in the 80s if you crossed a Teamster picket line there would be some head busting . Too many video cameras now .
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Back in the 80s if you crossed a Teamster picket line there would be some head busting . Too many video cameras now . Still happens....cameras dont mean schit. How does anyone know it was a Teamster? Serious question.
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