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I remember the anthrax vaccine attempt.
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I just remembered this in 02
We had a DFR (dropped from rolls) AWOL guy get returned to the unit.
Got traffic stopped in Mississippi.
Cops ran check on him.
Popped as AWOL for 8 yrs. 94 time frame.
Returned to unit via provost marshall details.
Gave him a barracks room and a meal card.
NCO escort each day thru chapter outprocessing stations.
Dude knew someday he was gonna get caught.
Just wanted to process out and close it all out.
No court martial.
AWOL chapter
Took us 3 weeks to chapter him out
Dude was working as a licensed welder at Gulfport Naval Ship yard.....
Dunno know if he went back to that or not.
But it speaks of the background checks and balances
He got a other than honorable discharge and 3 weeks of E1 pay being back on the rolls .
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They are kicking my nephew out of the navy for not getting the jab. Originally they were talking about a dishonorable discharge but not now. He’s been cooling his heels for 2-3 months now doing nothing waiting on papers. Can’t work out, group up or do anything around the base. Limited leave etc. Is that really worth losing your career for, and potentially living with a dishonorable discharge for the rest of your life? Politics aside with this whole Covid thing, the military has always required vaccinations for all sorts of diseases the average person doesn't get shots for due to the potential to be deployed anywhere on earth. You know that going in, why make a stand over a Covid shot? Seriously - I am not trying to stir a pot, but I don't understand the extremism on boths sides of this. Police Departments are kicking out well qualified, highly trained, loyal employees, the Military is losing many of the same. Think about the money spent on recruitment, training, loss of manpower, etc. It's insane to throw someone out for that. On the other side, a person is losing their career, years or even decades of service and all benefits that go along with it. Why not just get the damn shot? I knew going into my line of work that a requirement of going into hospital operating rooms requires getting vaccinations. No shot(s), you can't do your job = no need to employ you. And Happy Camper - you are truly the most rotten one in a bag of dicks If two equally qualified job applicants came to me for ONE job opening... one jabbed and one not... The one that held firm to his principles would be getting the job 99% most likely. I respect a man with honor and principles... a great deal. MANY OTHERS DO AS WELL. You shouldn't be asking if someone's jabbed or not in an interview. The discharge, if dishonorable, likely would come up in a background check I'd think.
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"People that don't know about the kind of discharges, and what you get them for, should probably refrain from posting their "opinion" about them......."
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Sorry ass upper echelon leadership in all branches is going to come home to roost. Ten of thousands of old vets used to advise grandson, nephews, go ahead, sign up for one hitch, it'll do you good, hell, you may like it. Endless wars with no clear cut mission, female tilted reduced training standards, promotional standards compromised, endless stupid f...kery with the ONLY entity of govt that could still accomplish it's mission has destroyed the military. Who now would advise a loved one to come under the command of a Gen Mark Milley? The draft will be back, book it.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Mess up VA eligibility on a home loan.
If you live in T-111 shed bliss it might not matter.
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They are kicking my nephew out of the navy for not getting the jab. Originally they were talking about a dishonorable discharge but not now. He’s been cooling his heels for 2-3 months now doing nothing waiting on papers. Can’t work out, group up or do anything around the base. Limited leave etc. that is f-ucking ridiculous. you could have done that for any other medically mandated thing and gotten a general. after months of being f-ucked with of course.
My diploma is a DD214
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he needs a good attorney asap
My diploma is a DD214
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Same thing happened 20-25 years ago with the anthrax "vaccine". It too was experimental and they were given out for no real reason. There was no proof that any enemy we faced at the time had or planned to use anthrax as a weapon.
I know a few people that were discharged. Most of them received a general discharge and were told they could apply for it to be upgraded at a later date. I got the series of shots and some of the issues I have today mirror the reported side effects but can't prove the shots caused them.
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Sorry ass upper echelon leadership in all branches is going to come home to roost. Ten of thousands of old vets used to advise grandson, nephews, go ahead, sign up for one hitch, it'll do you good, hell, you may like it. Endless wars with no clear cut mission, female tilted reduced training standards, promotional standards compromised, endless stupid f...kery with the ONLY entity of govt that could still accomplish it's mission has destroyed the military. Who now would advise a loved one to come under the command of a Gen Mark Milley? The draft will be back, book it. You are not wrong... I keep a small farm in Stafford Virginia (Quantico USMC right next door)... I got tied in some USMC folks in the wood crafting group (Rehab for returning war vets... or something like that... Marine Corp University). We set up a "tree felling day" for light Officers O2s to O4s... basically some gung ho Marine Officers (that had never felled a tree) showed up... dropped some trees... drank a beer or two afterwards (had a good time)... then later trees were them made into lumber for various projects.. yada yada. I could care less about sexual orientation, but I was none the less flabbergasted about how open and abundant homosexuality is in the USMC. Again... I personally could care less, but it was a real wow moment for me realizing that 1/2 the Marines I met that day were almost certainly gay.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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I heard that most of the female marines were but never heard that about the males. It's a different world now; it's sad.
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
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Same thing happened 20-25 years ago with the anthrax "vaccine". It too was experimental and they were given out for no real reason. There was no proof that any enemy we faced at the time had or planned to use anthrax as a weapon.
I know a few people that were discharged. Most of them received a general discharge and were told they could apply for it to be upgraded at a later date. I got the series of shots and some of the issues I have today mirror the reported side effects but can't prove the shots caused them. I had anaphylaxis with the anthrax vaccine. The VA actually refused to give me the Phizer jab even if I wanted to take it. 😁
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They are kicking my nephew out of the navy for not getting the jab. Originally they were talking about a dishonorable discharge but not now. He’s been cooling his heels for 2-3 months now doing nothing waiting on papers. Can’t work out, group up or do anything around the base. Limited leave etc. Is that really worth losing your career for, and potentially living with a dishonorable discharge for the rest of your life? Politics aside with this whole Covid thing, the military has always required vaccinations for all sorts of diseases the average person doesn't get shots for due to the potential to be deployed anywhere on earth. You know that going in, why make a stand over a Covid shot? Seriously - I am not trying to stir a pot, but I don't understand the extremism on boths sides of this. Police Departments are kicking out well qualified, highly trained, loyal employees, the Military is losing many of the same. Think about the money spent on recruitment, training, loss of manpower, etc. It's insane to throw someone out for that. On the other side, a person is losing their career, years or even decades of service and all benefits that go along with it. Why not just get the damn shot? I knew going into my line of work that a requirement of going into hospital operating rooms requires getting vaccinations. No shot(s), you can't do your job = no need to employ you. And Happy Camper - you are truly the most rotten one in a bag of dicks If two equally qualified job applicants came to me for ONE job opening... one jabbed and one not... The one that held firm to his principles would be getting the job 99% most likely. I respect a man with honor and principles... a great deal. MANY OTHERS DO AS WELL. You shouldn't be asking if someone's jabbed or not in an interview. I will ask any man or woman any question I choose to ask them... any time... any where... without compunction or hesitation. I will measure a man or woman by their response or refusal... Much of .GOV mandates such/similar questions... to fly on a plane, to get on a boat, to get a driver's license... or a hunting license... The 5th amendment of OUR CONSTITUTION permits .GOV and the FBI to lie to you... and for you NOT TO ANSWER.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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I'll bet you don't ask about age, religion, marital status, race/ethnicity or any of the other prohibited questions. Or if you do, I'll bet you don't keep a record. You don't seem stupid or inexperienced enough to fall into that trap.
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I'll bet you don't ask about age, religion, marital status, race/ethnicity or any of the other prohibited questions. Or if you do, I'll bet you don't keep a record. You don't seem stupid or inexperienced enough to fall into that trap. Retired now and only hire gig folks anymore... BUT when I used to hire folks I had some crazy weird questions that got to the core of a man or woman's character pretty quickly. HR gave me the stinkeye on weirdness, but nothing ever crossed the discrimination. threshold. Still do the same thing when I buy a truck or heavy equipment... or hire a gig. People's responses to strange chit... OR their willingness to lie about tiny little things is the best assessment about the item you are seeking. Benny the barber told me 35 years ago... "If they will lie to you once... they will lie to just as long as you let them get away with it." Benny was a genius.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Says right on a 4473 that is one of the "not allowed to buy a gun" answers. It's basically like having a felony in civilian life in some people's eyes.
I suppose it depends on why they discharged a person but it's a pretty big black mark on your name It can only be given at a general court martial for a felony level offense, so being convicted of a felony is a condition to the dishonorable.
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They are kicking my nephew out of the navy for not getting the jab. Originally they were talking about a dishonorable discharge but not now. He’s been cooling his heels for 2-3 months now doing nothing waiting on papers. Can’t work out, group up or do anything around the base. Limited leave etc. They can't "give" you a DD, it has to be sentenced by a Judge or Jury at a general court martial. In all likelihood, there is a confusion of terminology here, with DD being confused with "other than honorable discharge" which is a non-punitive admin separation characterization. However, they also can't "give" this to you, it has to be awarded by an adsep board. If he has less than six years in, they will probably do a nofication separation with a "general" discharge.
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