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I was following some of the first big precip events in December in a long while which sounded encouraging but they said it would take a lot more to bring things back to normal, or non drought I guess. Well, now I'm seeing a couple YouTube feeds that there's been a lot more rain and snow in the new year and that the multi year drought may be officially over for just about all of Cali. What do you think, what's it like in your area?


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No, it's not over.

You are looking at a single data point ... unlikely to be the long term trend.

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It’s raining here as I write this ... and virtually all of the water running down my street will end up in the Santa Monica Bay.

Southern Cali needs some dams and reservoirs.


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Dry as a bone in central CA since Christmas.
We need a wet February.


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Salty, check out this map. I'm up in the NE part of the state. That river that runs to the East up there runs through town. As you can see, we're still in
Severe drought, not in the two higher classes at least. No moisture in the last two weeks, and it looks like none for the next week.

We ain't out of the woods yet, but at least the level has dropped.

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?West


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Why don't they have them?

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Reservoirs are still low.


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Originally Posted by RickBin
Southern Cali needs some dams and reservoirs.


Hell yes. The state of California hasn't built a dam since 1959. Last dam built {bureau of reclamation) was New Melones in 1976.

Meanwhile population has exploded without adequate means to supply the masses in this naturally dry climate.

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You don't mean click bait trumps fact sometimes do you? lol
I appreciate your observations fellas. Even though I'm a long ways away its all kind of related on this side of the continent. Good to see there's been some good dumps of snow and some rain. I hope it continues for you.

This is the latest vid that got me wondering


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Originally Posted by Morewood
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Southern Cali needs some dams and reservoirs.


Hell yes. The state of California hasn't built a dam since 1959. Last dam built {bureau of reclamation) was New Melones in 1976.

Meanwhile population has exploded without adequate means to supply the masses in this naturally dry climate.

So why haven't they been built??

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Liberals and Tree huggers.


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Drought isn't really over until underground water levels are up to normal. That may take several wet years, not a few heavy rains.

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Originally Posted by blanket
Why don't they have them?

Because they believe in unlimited growth and thought they'd be OK building and building and then building some more. Just figured they'd get more water from upstate.

We had "water shortages" in the 70's and they still kept building. Good for business, not so good for water users. AZ and Southern NV going through the same thing now.

It ain't like back east. Parts of San Diego county, and other areas of SoCal that are heavily populated qualify as desert, with less than 10" rainfall per year.

Dams might help, but there's a problem there too. Those lovely beaches everyone loves, they depend somewhat on sediment from rivers, which doesn't come down when rivers are dammed. And fresh water getting to the coasts, in some areas, helps keep salinity levels normal.

Building suburbia and all its required amenities(lawns, parks, pools, golf courses, etc) in a desert is problematic at best. Dams are only a partial solution.


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After a good start, been about an 18 day dry spell now, high pressure in the extreme north, which is the snowpack storage for the Sacramento River system, which feeds the Sacramento Valley (the breadbasket). Also feeds the Trinity River system which in the screwiest system ever dreamed up, feeds normally to the Pacific, but is now diverted to the Sacramento system and mostly wasted as it is by law dumped into the Sacramento system, 150 miles to the south to push back salt water from creeping up the Sacramento Delta. Also 'saving' several species of creepie mud crawlies that nobody has ever ate. Thank you Sierra Club Enviro whackos. Wouldn't want to grow food with that water would we? Historically we've only got about 60 good snow days left to build a snowpack. Farmers and ranchers have their fingers crossed, but LaNina ocean patterns have never been that good for us. I would not want to be a rice farmer the last few years.


Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
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Why don't they have them?

Because they believe in unlimited growth and thought they'd be OK building and building and then building some more. Just figured they'd get more water from upstate.

We had "water shortages" in the 70's and they still kept building. Good for business, not so good for water users. AZ and Southern NV going through the same thing now.

It ain't like back east. Parts of San Diego county, and other areas of SoCal that are heavily populated qualify as desert, with less than 10" rainfall per year.

Dams might help, but there's a problem there too. Those lovely beaches everyone loves, they depend somewhat on sediment from rivers, which doesn't come down when rivers are dammed. And fresh water getting to the coasts, in some areas, helps keep salinity levels normal.

Building suburbia and all its required amenities(lawns, parks, pools, golf courses, etc) in a desert is problematic at best. Dams are only a partial solution.

Ok so it all the fault of the people who live there and vote there so why should the rest of TBE country care

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Originally Posted by flintlocke
After a good start, been about an 18 day dry spell now, high pressure in the extreme north, which is the snowpack storage for the Sacramento River system, which feeds the Sacramento Valley (the breadbasket). Also feeds the Trinity River system which in the screwiest system ever dreamed up, feeds normally to the Pacific, but is now diverted to the Sacramento system and mostly wasted as it is by law dumped into the Sacramento system, 150 miles to the south to push back salt water from creeping up the Sacramento Delta. Also 'saving' several species of creepie mud crawlies that nobody has ever ate. Thank you Sierra Club Enviro whackos. Wouldn't want to grow food with that water would we? Historically we've only got about 60 good snow days left to build a snowpack. Farmers and ranchers have their fingers crossed, but LaNina ocean patterns have never been that good for us. I would not want to be a rice farmer the last few years.


Have the enviros given up on draining the Hetch Hetchy reservoir?

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Originally Posted by blanket
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Originally Posted by blanket
Why don't they have them?

Because they believe in unlimited growth and thought they'd be OK building and building and then building some more. Just figured they'd get more water from upstate.

We had "water shortages" in the 70's and they still kept building. Good for business, not so good for water users. AZ and Southern NV going through the same thing now.

It ain't like back east. Parts of San Diego county, and other areas of SoCal that are heavily populated qualify as desert, with less than 10" rainfall per year.

Dams might help, but there's a problem there too. Those lovely beaches everyone loves, they depend somewhat on sediment from rivers, which doesn't come down when rivers are dammed. And fresh water getting to the coasts, in some areas, helps keep salinity levels normal.

Building suburbia and all its required amenities(lawns, parks, pools, golf courses, etc) in a desert is problematic at best. Dams are only a partial solution.

Ok so it all the fault of the people who live there and vote there so why should the rest of TBE country care

If you like nuts, fresh produce, fruits and low prices you should care.


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Originally Posted by blanket
Why don't they have them?
E n v I r o n m e n t a l s t s
Just suggest building a dam and see what happens


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Originally Posted by blanket

Ok so it all the fault of the people who live there and vote there so why should the rest of TBE country care


Nobody asked you to care. Why you mad?

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Originally Posted by RUM7
Originally Posted by blanket
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by blanket
Why don't they have them?

Because they believe in unlimited growth and thought they'd be OK building and building and then building some more. Just figured they'd get more water from upstate.

We had "water shortages" in the 70's and they still kept building. Good for business, not so good for water users. AZ and Southern NV going through the same thing now.

It ain't like back east. Parts of San Diego county, and other areas of SoCal that are heavily populated qualify as desert, with less than 10" rainfall per year.

Dams might help, but there's a problem there too. Those lovely beaches everyone loves, they depend somewhat on sediment from rivers, which doesn't come down when rivers are dammed. And fresh water getting to the coasts, in some areas, helps keep salinity levels normal.

Building suburbia and all its required amenities(lawns, parks, pools, golf courses, etc) in a desert is problematic at best. Dams are only a partial solution.

Ok so it all the fault of the people who live there and vote there so why should the rest of TBE country care

If you like nuts, fresh produce, fruits and low prices you should care.

So tell me about I can't live without, fug California

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