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Same view in my state. You make an attempt to kill humanely but even a wounded hog has a good chance of doing the world a favor and dying of an infection later. Also the whole humane killing argument falls down with shotguns anyway. We BS on about correct shot placement and accountability for anything that comes out of a rifle barrel, but have no problem spraying a load of 00 buck at game or No.4 shot at birds. Cant say I have ever planned the humane path of every pellet out of a scattergun.

^^^^^ yep, bunch of hypocritical mf'ers in this thread. Never figured out why a hog would deserve more "respect" than a quail, dove, or rabbit.

Black vultures don’t move around much, they actually live in related social groups, they are heavier than turkey vultures and not as good at soaring without strong thermals. Given strong thermals they soar higher and faster than Turkey vultures. They are spreading north and increasing in many places, even in the South.

Right now they are found as far north as Southern NY/Southern New England and Southern PA across to S. Arkansas, SE Kansas and the Eastern 2/3,of Oklahoma and TX. Also parts of S.Arizona. Still absent from most of the West.

Turkey vultures, being lighter in weight with longer wings can get by in cooler climates, in summer they are found across N.America to S. Canada, retreat to a range much like that of black vulture in winter. Being more solitary and able to locate carrion by smell, they are better at surviving in desert areas where there are fewer animals per unit area to provide carrion.

Both species have benefitted enormously from the establishment of our road network.

got that right, wonder how my geese I gut shot when we had to start using steel shot. switching from lead to steel was not easy and ducks and geese got the raw end of the deal till you figured out the kill zone

Bald eagles in some places along Coastal East Texas make a good living cleaning up the cripples after the goose hunters leave.

That being said, there’s a world of difference between that and intentionally crippling. YMMV.

Hunting ethics, or whatever else you want to call it.... personal rules of engagement for hunting, or whatever else we do, are just that. Personal.

We do what we do.

Whenever you impose your "ethics" on others, it usually won't turn out well, and you probably won't change any minds. But when you volunteer to enter the fray of public forum with what you do, then also be prepared to hear the opposing side.

If you aren't willing or prepared to hear the other side, then keep what you do to yourself.

How far north do buzzards go in the summer. Black buzzards didn’t show up until about ten years ago
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Black vultures don’t move around much, they actually live in related social groups, they are heavier than turkey vultures and not as good at soaring without strong thermals. Given strong thermals they soar higher and faster than Turkey vultures. They are spreading north and increasing in many places, even in the South.

Right now they are found as far north as Southern NY/Southern New England and Southern PA across to S. Arkansas, SE Kansas and the Eastern 2/3,of Oklahoma and TX. Also parts of S.Arizona. Still absent from most of the West.

Both species have benefitted enormously from the establishment of our road network.
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Saw 5 of the bastards just below my house, sitting on a limb by a roadkilled
deer. It's a busy state road, if it had been a better location 3 or 4 of them
would have succumbed to lead poisoning. Have heard they were around here,
probably have seen them on the wing and not knew it. This, was the first
time seeing them for certain.





Barry,
I gotta disagree, slightly.

Ethics are somewhat personal, following them absolutely is.
Things like baiting, using a light, shooting from vehicles even,
They are regional and personal.


But even coming from a place and people who did it, having done it
myself, killing "extra" game is never ethical. There may be good reasons
to do so, but it not ethical. Clear as dirt, I know.

One of the foundations of ethics though, even outside of hunting, is
to avoid causing unnecessary suffering of any creature.

The posts of shotgun shooting, or poisioning are BS arguments trying to
defend an indefensible position. As posted before, I can come up with
scenarios where I would do it. But it's very distasteful, and would be
one of those things you do out of necessity, unwillingly.
And dam sure don't talk about.

And there's never a bad hit with archery gear......on deer, elk, etc. I've never seen an outcry here on that subject.

We? You got a mouse in your pocket?

Park Service has been doing that for years in the Smokey Mountains. Pay some kids just out of college to shoot them and leave them lay. Guns and nightvision legally in a federal Park? Hell yeah!!!

In March 2010 a Georgia game warden was accidently shot by being mistaken for a coyote. He was apparently prone and watching some hunters who were predator hunting using night vision or thermal imaging optics.

My neighbor mounted an ATN on his rifle and I could see hogs easily at 200+ yards but could not swear they were hogs. It had the side effect of messing up my night vision for several minutes. I stick with my motion detector light and bait and do not invite people of unknown ability to come shoot hogs.

It seems like scanning with a thermal/IR device is better when using your non-dominant eye, so the dominant eye doesn't lose night vision. Shooting is righty, but I scan with my left eye to save the vision in the right.

Thermals and NV devices today have a brightness adjustment to dim the screen. That helps a lot, and keeping your other eye free from light contamination helps as well.

I keep my screens pretty dim.

This is just plain stupid. “You plan the humane path of the pellet” by knowing how your gun patterns and staying within that range. It’s a law of averages numbers thing. I shoot a lot of birds, I rarely have cripples when I do get one my dog nearly always runs it down.

But the point of this thread wasn’t about unintentionally making a bad shot with a shotgun. It was about intentionally gut shooting with a 22 to cause as slow and painful a death possible for someone to lazy to throw the dead hogs in a pit or other appropriate disposal sight.

I dang sure don't plan on wounding.

Everyone? Dang, wouldn’t want to be around there when they are hunting! lol Or did you mean every one? :-)

Aim for clean kills. Deliberately wounding an animal is the act of a sociopath.

Me too

Thank you, had no clue they were that widespread, nasty bastards, Turkey vultures probably ain’t no better, but just don’t like the black ones.

I only understand some of your posts dan and that includes back when you were still on accurate reloading.