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Hard to argue with Nightforce NXS. I personally could never justify, $3000, $4000, $5000 on a scope, but to each their own.

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Originally Posted by JeffP
Anyone have to send one back? Some dealers end the relationship at sale. If your scope is defective it’s on you to send it to Japan.

These are three on my short list
US Optics FDN 10x 1.8-10x42
Nightforce NSX 2.5-10x42
March compact 1.5-10x42


I think you mean a March 1.5-15X42. If you do not now have a dealer, I would contact Don Carter at longrangesupply.com for excellent service.


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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Hard to argue with Nightforce NXS. I personally could never justify, $3000, $4000, $5000 on a scope, but to each their own.

EVERY scope can fail
But the chances a NF dies before a tasco pronghorn is mutually exclusive to price


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Originally Posted by FTR_Shooter
Originally Posted by JeffP
Anyone have to send one back? Some dealers end the relationship at sale. If your scope is defective it’s on you to send it to Japan.

These are three on my short list
US Optics FDN 10x 1.8-10x42
Nightforce NSX 2.5-10x42
March compact 1.5-10x42


I think you mean a March 1.5-15X42. If you do not now have a dealer, I would contact Don Carter at longrangesupply.com for excellent service.



Yes I transposed 10 for 15. I should had just copy/pasted...
Don was the man I was talking to. If Nightforce has the same reticle choices I would pick NF just because I would be dealing with an American company.


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Originally Posted by JeffP
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Originally Posted by JeffP
Anyone have to send one back? Some dealers end the relationship at sale. If your scope is defective it’s on you to send it to Japan.

These are three on my short list
US Optics FDN 10x 1.8-10x42
Nightforce NSX 2.5-10x42
March compact 1.5-10x42


I think you mean a March 1.5-15X42. If you do not now have a dealer, I would contact Don Carter at longrangesupply.com for excellent service.



Yes I transposed 10 for 15. I should had just copy/pasted...
Don was the man I was talking to. If Nightforce has the same reticle choices I would pick NF just because I would be dealing with an American company.


Understood. You do know that the NXS is made in Japan by LOW.

Now if you want to stretch a point, there are probably Chinese parts in the NXS or anything else that may come from LOW, whereas there are none in the March scopes.

But the NXS is cheaper than the March and it has no ED glass and only a 4X zoom and stops at 10X.

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Copy all of that
But if NF fails I send to America to fix
If March fails I have to send to Japan on my own


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Originally Posted by JeffP
Copy all of that
But if NF fails I send to America to fix
If March fails I have to send to Japan on my own


Are you sure



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Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by JeffP
Copy all of that
But if NF fails I send to America to fix
If March fails I have to send to Japan on my own


Are you sure

They may get fixed in Japan at LOW
But you send to USA address


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Originally Posted by FTR_Shooter


But the NXS is cheaper than the March and it has no ED glass and only a 4X zoom and stops at 10X.


The NXS is just an example. The Atacr is a nicer model, but its prices are in line with March. I have a buddy that thinks the NXS is junk, because he's an Atacr snob. LOL

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Originally Posted by JeffP
Copy all of that
But if NF fails I send to America to fix
If March fails I have to send to Japan on my own


That is correct. You would ship it to Japan following a well-established protocol. It would be shipped back directly to your house a few weeks later.

Bid deal.

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Originally Posted by FTR_Shooter
As promised, here is a longer answer.
March riflescopes are a brand of scopes designed and manufactured by the Japanese company called Deon Optical Design corporation. It is celebrating its 15th year right now and they have built and moved into a new factory building. Their official website is www.marchscopes.com. You can read their story as the site is replete with information.

They have designed and built various models over this time, and you can see the evolution of the various designs over that time frame. Their current line-up is very impressive. From best in class LPVOs, as exemplified by the March 1-10X24 with dual reticle to the March-X 8-80X56 (Second Focal Plane) and the March Genesis 6-60X56 (First Focal Plane with 118mil adjustmenr range), they have the most innovative designs, with the top-notch manufacturing to deliver these products.

I have learned a great deal about their products, the company, and its people over the last 6 years. They have invited me to attend SHOT show in their booth in 2018-2020. There was no SHOT show in 2021 and this year, they only have a static display because of travel restrictions from Japan. They have already asked me to be in their booth in 2023. I do not work for Deon/March. I do not sell scopes. I am just a HUGE fan of their products, I am a competitive shooter, and I know a little bit about optics.

March scopes were the first ones anywhere to feature ED-glass in riflescopes. They started that almost from the beginning of their history. In fact, all March scopes have ED glass elements except for a few models. The LPVOs with 24mm objectives have non-ED glass. The others that do not have ED glass, instead have Super-ED glass, and again, March is the first anywhere to have Super-ED glass and currently still the only ones. Before you pooh-pooh ED and Super-ED glass as "marketing fluff," don't. Just don't, it's a real thing. I'm happy to discuss it, but in another post.

The March 1.5-15X42 that you asked about is an innovative design with a huge objective lens in a 1.5X base magnification. I have one mounted on a competition-grade AR-15. I love the range of magnification, as an all-around optic. When I got mine about 18 months ago, I noticed that the objective lens group appeared to be a new design. It certainly has a little heft to it. I have since discovered that my suspicions were correct and learned a bit about the reasons for the new design. At the low end of magnifications, this is one impressive riflescope.

March scopes are all hand-made in Japan by Deon, now at that new factory. The bodies are made from a solid ingot of aluminum (not the 6061 or 7075 junk, better stuff,) and machined down to the proper shape. No extrusion, no multi-piece. Everything in the scope is top quality all-Japanese parts. (There is not China crap in there anywhere.) The scope bodies are filled with argon, not nitrogen, for longer life. Everything about these scopes is designed and built for long life.

The warranty is 10 years, because of Japanese law, but they will support you beyond that time. I have several March scopes and have had March for almost 10 years now. I have never had a problem with any of them.

March scopes are usually built to order because they have so many options and features, but some dealers have some of the most popular models in stock. It usually takes two months to get the exact model you want with the specific features (reticle, knobs) that you want.

If you have specific questions about a certain model, post it here. I'm sure someone can answer.



Helpful info. How are they with impact/drop tests and zero retention? Looking at the compact models, 2.5-25x52 for example. How are they able to keep the weight down so much, yet still retain absolute durability? Anything else comparable is 6+ ounces more.

Also, as a hunter, a lot of what they offer is of zero interest to me. They need to expand their hunting offerings. Hunters really don't need 10X as the loss of FOV/exit pupil and eye box just isn't worth it. A compact version in the 6X range, like 3-18x52, would be ideal, provide all the magnification ever needed for hunting, and would do away with a lot of the complaints. Keep it at 23 oz and they'd sell a ton of em.

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Originally Posted by FTR_Shooter
Originally Posted by JeffP
Copy all of that
But if NF fails I send to America to fix
If March fails I have to send to Japan on my own


That is correct. You would ship it to Japan following a well-established protocol. It would be shipped back directly to your house a few weeks later.

Bid deal.

Too some
To others not so much


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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Helpful info. How are they with impact/drop tests and zero retention? Looking at the compact models, 2.5-25x52 for example. How are they able to keep the weight down so much, yet still retain absolute durability? Anything else comparable is 6+ ounces more.

Also, as a hunter, a lot of what they offer is of zero interest to me. They need to expand their hunting offerings. Hunters really don't need 10X as the loss of FOV/exit pupil and eye box just isn't worth it. A compact version in the 6X range, like 3-18x52, would be ideal, provide all the magnification ever needed for hunting, and would do away with a lot of the complaints. Keep it at 23 oz and they'd sell a ton of em.


That is a very astute question about the weight. I actually asked that same question of the head designer at Deon and he explained that they engineer the innards to make them as light, yet as strong as possible. Of course, they do all the various tests and you can read about that at their website. They build their scopes from durability and long life. Their zero retention and tracking are legendary over at accurateshooter.com.

My first March was a March-X 5-50X56, which I bought 10 years ago. It replaced a Nightforce NXS 12-42X56 on my F-TR match rifle. Over the next 8 years, that rifle/scope combo participated in well over 100 local monthly matches, 16 multi-day state matches, a pair or multi-day regionals, 8 week-long Nationals and 2 World competitions. It traveled all over the continent and went into a countless hotel rooms and trunks or cargo spaces. It rode on carts and so on. It saw over 20,000 full power F-TR loads. It never wavered and always had great tracking. I dialed it a lot. After all this, it looks pristine. The finish March uses seems to be impervious to the elements. The knobs show a little bit of wear on the knurling. I wonder why? :-)

My NXS showed some wear after just two years of similar regimen. The Nightforces are simply not as solid and well-built as the Marches.

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Originally Posted by JeffP
Copy all of that
But if NF fails I send to America to fix
If March fails I have to send to Japan on my own
That's something I'd worry about if I had, say, a Vortex.
The nice thing about a March is it will need repair at *maybe* 1/10th or less the rate of a cheap scope. Frankly, I don't buy scopes based on warranty - if I have to use the warranty, the scope is [bleep] junk.

FWIW, I know of people who sent their scopes back for various reasons. Turn around time seems like it was about a month, maybe 6 weeks.
Can Leupold even compete with that?


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I would say at this level of quality/price point The same expectation of not having to use the warranty could be said of US Optics, and NF...


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Nightforce is not as solid or well-built?

Oh boy that’s a bold and inflammatory statement. Conflicting reviews online in that regard. I’d like to see a torture test.

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Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Nightforce is not as solid or well-built?

Oh boy that’s a bold and inflammatory statement. Conflicting reviews online in that regard. I’d like to see a torture test.

I have owned both and that's my opinion. Is that a problem?

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Originally Posted by FTR_Shooter
Originally Posted by SDHNTR
Nightforce is not as solid or well-built?

Oh boy that’s a bold and inflammatory statement. Conflicting reviews online in that regard. I’d like to see a torture test.

I have owned both and that's my opinion. Is that a problem?

No, no. I don’t mean to offend. I have my opinionated preferences too. All good. But that is a bold call.

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No offense taken. As I said, I have experience with both so I speak from experience. To me, it's not even close.

Yes, I am bold.

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I get a kick out of the naysayers that have never touched one...

I own and have owned numerous models from nearly every major brand there is. March scopes are absolutely top shelf. They're my first choice in every case unless I'm dealing with a sleek classic rifle that calls for a small 1" scope.

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