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Thank you for your tireless efforts to add value to the website. comedic value.
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Is Billy Graham in hell for eternity or will he be let out on parole at some point?
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Only about 30% of the worlds people claim to be Christian, and even among them there's no universal agreement on the requirements for salvation. 30% of 7.9 billion people is 2.37 billion people, currently living people who…as you asserted…profess to be Christian. That’s a pretty huge number, especially when one considers that it all started with a tiny and despised, illicit sect in the armpit of an empire, that followed the teachings of Jesus, and that during the first 300 years of its existence, they were pretty much always subject to oppression and open persecution throughout the Roman Empire. Yet they still continued to gain adherents among both Jews and non-Jews throughout the Roman world. Adding those who’ve died who professed to being Christian to your numbers above, and you have an even greater number than those already mentioned. Jesus predicted that His movement would spread all over the earth and outlast the Roman Empire, and that it would change the world. At the time, His prediction must have sounded outlandish to even his closest followers. But here we are, over 2,000 years later, and the Roman Empire exists only in history books, while Jesus’ movement is still goin’. His message clearly offers hope to “a great multitude that no one could number.” Thanks for pointing out some significant and impressive numbers antelope_sniper.
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Is Billy Graham in hell for eternity or will he be let out on parole at some point? Piker
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Only about 30% of the worlds people claim to be Christian, and even among them there's no universal agreement on the requirements for salvation. 30% of 7.9 billion people is 2.37 billion people, currently living people who…as you asserted…profess to be Christian. That’s a pretty huge number, especially when one considers that it all started with a tiny and despised, illicit sect in the armpit of an empire, that followed the teachings of Jesus, and that during the first 300 years of its existence, they were pretty much always subject to oppression and open persecution throughout the Roman Empire. Yet they still continued to gain adherents among both Jews and non-Jews throughout the Roman world. Adding those who’ve died who professed to being Christian to your numbers above, and you have an even greater number than those already mentioned. Jesus predicted that His movement would spread all over the earth and outlast the Roman Empire, and that it would change the world. At the time, His prediction must have sounded outlandish to even his closest followers. But here we are, over 2,000 years later, and the Roman Empire exists only in history books, while Jesus’ movement is still goin’. His message clearly offers hope to “a great multitude that no one could number.” Thanks for pointing out some significant and impressive numbers antelope_sniper. 30% is not "most". About half of those are Catholic and plenty of Christian will spout all the reasons they believe Catholics are not "Real Christians" and going to hell.
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30% is not "most". About half of those are Catholic and plenty of Christians will spout all the reasons they believe Catholics are not "Real Christians" and going to hell. Still, none of that negates a single word of the facts that I referred to. His message isn’t the problem.
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30% is not "most". About half of those are Catholic and plenty of Christians will spout all the reasons they believe Catholics are not "Real Christians" and going to hell. Still, none of that negates a single word of the facts in my post. Nor does anything you claimed negate my response to the question in the title of this thread: Are the Majority of People Saved? Math is Math. 15% or less is not "the Majority"
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Nor does anything you claimed negate my response to the question in the title of this thread: Are the Majority of People Saved? ”Negate”…? I was appreciative that you pointed out some pretty significant and impressive numbers. Thanks again.
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I'd certainly say the odds of a Muslim being saved are greater than Jag (a self proclaimed Christian) paying his bet
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Our founding fathers were pretty smart in giving us the first amendment. A lot of people don’t get it but freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.
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Our founding fathers were pretty smart in giving us the first amendment. A lot of people don’t get it but freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. It hasn't helped us much in the fight to be free from the religion of Global Climate Change.
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His alleged followers.........
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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No, but 100% of truthful believers in Christ are.
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His alleged followers......... I laughed
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No, but 100% of truthful believers in Christ are. 👍 Good point reivertom. "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." I John 5 The Word of God is the record. One either believes on Christ to save them, or they are adding Him to their "good works". If they believe on Christ, they have life and if they don't, then they don't have everlasting life. That's how I see it. Is that what you believe?
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Happy Crappers stupid posts.
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
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Happy Crappers stupid posts. The unhappy noncamper is satan is disguise. Amen.
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Salvation appears to be a Theology of Fear.
Reward and punishment: Have 'faith in Jesus' in order to be saved, if not, you are eternally damned.
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Wrong DBT. "Reward "would be earning your acceptance with God due to YOUR good works. The only thing God owes you or can reward you with is punishment for your sins. Since His Son was nearly beaten to death in extreme torture, then nailed with spikes to suffer the torments of everyone's sins, He was rewarded with the death we deserve. He offers not only a full pardon, but forgiveness. Free for the asking. Only a fool would turn that down.
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Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
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