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And man, Gunner that is a sweetheart. What a great set up. Thanks Big Buddy B, i call it the "Weak Sister" to guys i've hunted with, then i drag a deer over that's been train wrecked length ways by a 400gr Woodleigh. LOL Only you would name it the weak sister. Geeeeze….
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Just a reminder of the many possibles for .400 Whelen bullets: Any .416-caliber bullet, and there are many. If Sir Jerry has a hankering for some .411" Nosler partitions made from the 400-grainer .416s, no problemo. You’re an expensive friend to hang around RC. LOL, if he charged me to draw down that pile of 400gr partitions he dang sure would be!
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And man, Gunner that is a sweetheart. What a great set up. Thanks Big Buddy B, i call it the "Weak Sister" to guys i've hunted with, then i drag a deer over that's been train wrecked length ways by a 400gr Woodleigh. LOL Only you would name it the weak sister. Geeeeze…. Weak sis my ass one of those guys said LOL
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Thanks for the pics and for all the information. Really great stuff!
Glad to see the .416 Barnes size down ok. Certainly opens some options. Was just looking at some .416 Hammers and could be some good choices there. I think I am going to be glad I bought bullet resizing dies.
Anybody done any terminal tests with the 400 grain Hornady RN?
I have actually seen them pretty regular on GB. Not cheap but at least available.
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Thanks for the pics and for all the information. Really great stuff!
Glad to see the .416 Barnes size down ok. Certainly opens some options. Was just looking at some .416 Hammers and could be some good choices there. I think I am going to be glad I bought bullet resizing dies.
Anybody done any terminal tests with the 400 grain Hornady RN?
I have actually seen them pretty regular on GB. Not cheap but at least available. That 416 400 Hammer drawn down might be a little demon. https://hammerbullets.com/product/416-cal-400g-shock-hammer/I gotta learn that operation. Never done it. Just a reminder of the many possibles for .400 Whelen bullets: Any .416-caliber bullet, and there are many. If Sir Jerry has a hankering for some .411" Nosler partitions made from the 400-grainer .416s, no problemo. You’re an expensive friend to hang around RC. LOL, if he charged me to draw down that pile of 400gr partitions he dang sure would be! Uh, you ain’t cheap to be friends with either. I really need to turn my internet off sometimes when you all start spouting about all this cool stuff.
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Brand new custom bespoke '74 Shiloh Sharps 50 2-1/2"...................................my pleasure Friend LOL!
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Thanks for the pics and for all the information. Really great stuff!
Glad to see the .416 Barnes size down ok. Certainly opens some options. Was just looking at some .416 Hammers and could be some good choices there. I think I am going to be glad I bought bullet resizing dies.
Anybody done any terminal tests with the 400 grain Hornady RN?
I have actually seen them pretty regular on GB. Not cheap but at least available. That 416 400 Hammer drawn down might be a little demon. https://hammerbullets.com/product/416-cal-400g-shock-hammer/I gotta learn that operation. Never done it. Just a reminder of the many possibles for .400 Whelen bullets: Any .416-caliber bullet, and there are many. If Sir Jerry has a hankering for some .411" Nosler partitions made from the 400-grainer .416s, no problemo. You’re an expensive friend to hang around RC. LOL, if he charged me to draw down that pile of 400gr partitions he dang sure would be! Uh, you ain’t cheap to be friends with either. I really need to turn my internet off sometimes when you all start spouting about all this cool stuff. I can see drawing down Partitions but I'm not sure about a solid copper bullet
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Thanks for the pics and for all the information. Really great stuff!
Glad to see the .416 Barnes size down ok. Certainly opens some options. Was just looking at some .416 Hammers and could be some good choices there. I think I am going to be glad I bought bullet resizing dies.
Anybody done any terminal tests with the 400 grain Hornady RN?
I have actually seen them pretty regular on GB. Not cheap but at least available. That 416 400 Hammer drawn down might be a little demon. https://hammerbullets.com/product/416-cal-400g-shock-hammer/I gotta learn that operation. Never done it. Just a reminder of the many possibles for .400 Whelen bullets: Any .416-caliber bullet, and there are many. If Sir Jerry has a hankering for some .411" Nosler partitions made from the 400-grainer .416s, no problemo. You’re an expensive friend to hang around RC. LOL, if he charged me to draw down that pile of 400gr partitions he dang sure would be! Uh, you ain’t cheap to be friends with either. I really need to turn my internet off sometimes when you all start spouting about all this cool stuff. I can see drawing down Partitions but I'm not sure about a solid copper bullet Looks like RC got it to work.
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Brand new custom bespoke '74 Shiloh Sharps 50 2-1/2"...................................my pleasure Friend LOL! You got me but good.
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I can see drawing down Partitions but I'm not sure about a solid copper bullet
It’ll be interesting to see what he can do with them.
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whelenhunter has been busy since last I looked at the loads list. Sir Jerry, Check your load "view" here and tell me if I need to change anything: The 400-gr Woodleigh RNSN is a mildly compressed load in unfired new brass, and just about exactly 100% LR/net fill with fire-formed brass. I might ought to edit out the "C" next to the 68.0-gr powder charge if the velocity of 2255 fps was done with once-fired brass. I might ought to leave it in and say the load is a fire-forming load, mildly compressed and probably over 50,000 psi, since it gives such a pretty shoulder. LOL.
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You’re an expensive friend to hang around RC. Sir Scotty my friend, Thanks for ordering some 400-gr/.458-cal Shock Hammers, the one-planet-one-bullet bullet. You will not be sorry.
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Those shallow, sinusoidal "PDR" drive bands on the Hammer bullets would get their rounded peaks flattened, might spoil the magic. Probably would be an easy squeeze, but better to wait for a Hammer .411 factory bullet. Remember you can replicate .400 Whelen ballistics with the .458 WinMag and those 400-gr/.458-cal Shock Hammers, and G1 BC might be 0.419 or thereabouts. LOL
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Yes, a 1-ton arbor press will size 400-gr/.416-cal TSX to .411" diameter. Use .412", .410", .409" dies and springs back to .411" to stay. Not saying a 2-ton arbor press would not make it any easier. Might get one of those one of these days.
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So you loose 2 1/2 thousands in the dept of the grooves drawing down a .416 TSX to 411.
Will that be enough depth for the rifling to not be engraving the body of the bullet?
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Sir John,
The diameter in the grooves of one of those Barnes TSX 400-gr/.416-cal bullets that I sized down to .411":
0.395" +/- 0.001" after the sizing down, about same before sizing down, just now confirmed. Gerard Shultz used to laugh about how much under bore diameter the TSX grooves were. He said those grooves were cut with a bank of Dremel Tool cutting wheels after the bullets were hammered out of a piece of copper wire.
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Sir John,
The diameter in the grooves of one of those Barnes TSX 400-gr/.416-cal bullets that I sized down to .411":
0.395" +/- 0.001" after the sizing down, about same before sizing down, just now confirmed. Gerard Shultz used to laugh about how much under bore diameter the TSX grooves were. He said those grooves were cut with a bank of Dremel Tool cutting wheels after the bullets were hammered out of a piece of copper wire.
Then the depth is enough to accommodate the squeeze. Thanks. I've seen how Barnes makes their TSXs they go through 6 form dies with punches. WWll bullet making machines. Then they are automatically go onto a spinning machine and metal cutting wheels one in and cut the grooves.
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... if 2267 fps at 18 yards away, i was wondering what the true velocity/energy numbers would be, that fired hull on the chrono is a thing of beauty, the primer is perfect, no bolt raceway smear, no firing pin protrusion, the case fell from the chamber like they always have, and pockets remain tight, case head measurement before and after firing remains negligible ... ... i'll go back and trim all fired cases to 2.480 inch and call it good for i bet several more firings, the cases shouldn't grow much at all with that abrupt shoulder, speaking of shoulder, i'll take .459" all day long as i only size .411" length of the neck on fired brass ... That rifle is a little 9.5 lb all up with 6 rounds on board, accurate, great functioning machine, my old 'Smith did a fine job as usual. Sir Jerry, Using BC for the Woodleigh 400-gr RNSN as 0.307 G1, plug and chug in RCBS external ballistics calculator: MV = 2315 fps and KE = 4760 ft-lbs if 18 YARD velocity was 2267 fps. HOLY COW. Did you mean 18 feet or 6 yards ? Truly at 18 yards ? You might have gotten one of those long-brass-pinches with brass stretch on firing (springs back if no bad-kaboom happens), and got your pressure/velocity up even if not severe enough to cause problems. I am especially strict on brass length since a teachable moment happened to me. I am self-taught on this one. I once was tooling around on purpose with a cartridge very much like the .400 Whelen-Petrov except that it had a chamber minimum length of 2.509" instead of 2.501", and it had same neck-2 diameter (case mouth) but a neck-1 of 0.003" tighter at shoulder junction, and it had 0.112" longer parallel-sided free-bore than the .400 Whelen-Petrov's 0.188" length. On purpose, like a dumb adze, I was tooling around with firing brass cases that were all trimmed to 2.504" to 2.505" A dumb adze is not the sharpest tool in the toolbox. Let us say I successfully fired 3 loads of 400-gr .411 Woodleigh RNSN at a 100 yard target, with so-so accuracy, then on the 4th shot velocity spiked a bit and the primer fell out of the case when the bolt was opened with no difficulty. MV of that 4th shot was a bit over 2400 fps. The average of all 4 shots was only 2398 fps MV, helped a lot by that 4th shot. That 4th shot might have been a little longer in the brass than the others, like 2.505" instead of 2.504". But maybe they were all stretch-pinching at the case mouths on firing. Trimming all .400 Whelen-Petrov brass to 2.480" and letting it grow to no more than 2.490" is written in stone for me now.
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