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Could this 16 gauge double, with a 9.3x72R be used with steel shot?

All of the areas where I hunt upland birds now require steel shot. I think it would be fun and interesting to use this drilling, and fun to have the 9.3 in case I came across something on four-feet that needed to be shot.

https://www.tylergunworks.com/store/J-P-Sauer-&-Sohn-Drilling-9-3-x-72R-p427796756

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If it has 2 3/4"chambers and the chokes aren't too tight, I see no reason not to. If it's bored full and fuller, as it may well be, you would probably want them opened for upland hunting anyway. If the chambers are 2.5", however, you may have to handload to get shotshells.

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I wouldn't shoot steel out of it but it is easy enough to hand bismuth or ITX shot for it . Those barrels are irreplaceable and were designed for lower pressure 2.5"/65mm lead shot shells.

That doesn't mean they won't be effective, I load 3/4oz of ITX-10 shot in my 16's and 7/8oz in my 12's.

1oz of BB's in my 16ga/16ga/9.3x72R
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7/8oz ITX 6' and 1 oz of Bismuth 5's in my 2.5" 12ga
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After the first shot the rest are just noise.

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I wanna go hunting with eric.

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Thanks guys. Not sure I'm going to buy, though it's quite affordable. Hopefully someone gives it a good home and hunts with it.
Erich - very cool drilling & photos!

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RST makes shotgun shells that would be perfect for this gun. Right now they are out of stock. https://www.rstshells.com/ When they can get the components they have the right length and pressure for this gun.

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Originally Posted by Frank_K
RST makes shotgun shells that would be perfect for this gun. Right now they are out of stock. https://www.rstshells.com/ When they can get the components they have the right length and pressure for this gun.


Cool. Thanks!

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These actually measure only 67mm and are low pressure. They work fine in my old guns.

https://ammowire.com/shotgun-ammo/fiocchi-dove-quail-16ga-2-75-sz7-5-1oz-25-16gt75/


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See this is an older thread.
You can get steel shot wads that are very thick to protect the bore, at ballistic products. I’ve used them in quite a few loads. Can get them unslitted so you can cut them as needed.
Have used them in Turkey loads for my 16/9.3 hammer drilling and killed a lot of turkeys.


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you know the 9.3x72, is going to punish your shoulder

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Originally Posted by texken
you know the 9.3x72, is going to punish your shoulder


No it won’t. The 9.3x72r is a pussycat. My experience has been the 9.3x74r in a light rifle will get your attention, but still isn’t “punishing”.

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the 9.3x72R is like a 35 Rem the 9.3x74R is like a 375 H&H Magnum.


After the first shot the rest are just noise.

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Originally Posted by texken
you know the 9.3x72, is going to punish your shoulder
I fired 40 rounds out of my 9.3X72R yesterday with noo issues at all, my budddy's 9.3X74R? Ain't happening at mmy hands, that is for sure!
I only run about 1,740 with my 293 grain bullet
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Not bad for a 50 yard shooter with tired eyes!
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If the 9.3x72R kicked a lot, my wife Eileen wouldn't own one--and kill deer with it. She started getting recoil headaches around 15 years ago, but finds her "no name" combination gun works fine.

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Originally Posted by erich
the 9.3x72R is like a 35 Rem the 9.3x74R is like a 375 H&H Magnum.

Well, not quite. I had a 9.3x74R for awhile in a double rifle, a dainty one at that, a model that is now the Chapuis IPHISI.

Even the 375R is a step down from the H&H pressure-wise, and this 9.3 is a little step down from that. I found it a very pleasant mid-bore cartridge and easily took a bison heifer with it, running at about 75 yds. Talk about a cartridge in stark contrast to the short ‘n fats..

My thought was that it would be neat to try on elk in the timber, but I didn’t get to that. But to the point, it provides a fairly heavy bullet, say 274 grs. at just under 2400 fps, not to be shunned by any means, but not at all punishing to the shooter.

Another gun I would like to have kept.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
If the 9.3x72R kicked a lot, my wife Eileen wouldn't own one--and kill deer with it. She started getting recoil headaches around 15 years ago, but finds her "no name" combination gun works fine.

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I love that photo!


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
I love that photo!

I do too!

But part of the reason Eileen fell for the gun was the details, like this, which you no doubt remember from examining it during your visit:

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Originally Posted by luv2safari
I love that photo!

I do too!

But part of the reason Eileen fell for the gun was the details, like this, which you no doubt remember from examining it during your visit:

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That's pretty incredible. Is this heavy or light? My combo piece is kinda heavy

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It isn't heavy and is beautifully balanced. I have to say I covet the gun, and it takes something pretty special to get my socks hot.


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Theoldpinecricker,

With the 1-4x 20 Leupold it weighs seven pounds exactly. With the scope detached it weighs six pounds, one ounce.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Theoldpinecricker,

With the 1-4x 20 Leupold it weighs seven pounds exactly. With the scope detached it weighs six pounds, one ounce.


Mule Deer,
Did it come with the scope and rings or did you have the rings fabricated? I am interested in sourcing a 1" set of claw rings to update my 98 Mauser 8x68s.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
If the 9.3x72R kicked a lot, my wife Eileen wouldn't own one--and kill deer with it. She started getting recoil headaches around 15 years ago, but finds her "no name" combination gun works fine.

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Did it come with the scope and rings or did you have the rings fabricated? I am interested in sourcing a 1" set of claw rings to update my 98 Mauser 8x68s.

No, it didn't come with the scope and rings, but had bases for claw mounts. Melvin Forbes of New Ultra Light Arms made the rings as a favor to Eileen--before starting NULA he was a general gunsmith and did lots of stuff. He'd worked out a system of machining Talley steel bases to fit claw bases, and then the gun's owner could use steel Talley rings to mount whatever scope they wanted to.

Should also mention Melvin gave us permission to show his system to top-notch local gunsmith John McLaughlin 2-3 years ago, because I had a 16x16/6.5x57R Sauer drilling that came with a scope--but I didn't like the scope much, a Hensoldt 4x with a typical heavy German reticle that made it difficult to aim at big game beyond about 150 yards. So had John do the same Talley job on the drilling, and I mounted a 1-4x20 Leupold with the standard Duplex reticle--and killed a pronghorn buck last fall last fall at 230 yards. (Would have been comfortable at 300-350.) I dunno how much John charges for the job now, but his website is https://www.mclaughlinmetalworks.com/


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Thanks for the detailed info John. I've been eyeing extra high Leupold rings thinking they may have enough material to machine the hooks for the AKAH claw system bases on my rifle. With a 1" objective scope it seems like I might be able to keep it low and still have barrel clearance to take it on and off. The Idea of putting claws on a modern base has a lot of merit. The rifle's original scope is an old Zeiss 4x with that heavy post type reticle favored at the time and is mounted quite high. A good friend has a mill and the skills to go with it, so this may be an interesting project, although I have too many of those already it seems.

I'll have to make time to post some pictures of an early 1900's era 9.3x72r x 20 Gauge German combination gun (SxS) my wife inherited recently. Gathering up the bits to get some loads started for that one.These posts of yours, catinthehat and Cascade are getting me inspired.

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