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Anyone in here know much about values on these? Obviously condition and originality are key but I’m struggling to find ranges on these. I have a opportunity to pick one up just being cautious.

I would give the left half of my manhood to own an original one.

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Value is crazy high on these due to rarity. If it's under 3k I'd say you're doing quite well.

Thanks Woodsman

Indygncc: The two examples of pre-64 Winchester Model 70 "Bull Guns" in my collection were purchased long ago.
One is a mint all original pre-War Bull Gun marked "300 Magnum" - this low 4 digit gun I would NOT sell for anything less than $4,500.00 cash.
The other is a mint perfect unfired 300 H&H Bull Gun in the wooden crate - this later manufactured Rifle I would NOT sell for less than $5,500.00!
These Rifles (Model 70 Bull Guns) are rather rare and so seldom seen for sale it is hard to put a general value on them - if you were to advise the condition and serial number range of the Bull Gun you are interested in perhaps I could be of more (some!) help to you.
As we all know less than 1/2 of 1 percent (0.47%!) of all pre-64 Winchester Model 70's were built in the "Bull Gun" configuration - or in other words just 2,706 guns total.
And MANY of these Rifles were used hard, modified, shot out, re-barreled and put away wet!
IF.... you are dealing on an all original "good" condition Bull Gun you are in rare territory!
I know - I been there.
Good luck what ever you decide to do.
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VarmintGuy

Saw a M70 Bull in person once in 30-06. A hot mess for 2.5k. Came back the next day and it was gone.

M70 Bull’s predecessor, so to speak.

The 28" barrel, chambering & Bull Gun Model say a lot but the originality factor becomes everything. You're in territory where faking an original model an be lucrative! A question of originality of such 'baby', is where the pros dwell. A small non-originality factors can depreciate in huge chunks of money. You don't mention the serial range which would be a good starting place to advance an inquiry as also a heck of a lot of photos. Frankly, IF you had all those ducks lined up, no disrespect here, but that would be a rifle I'd want to take to Lou Luttrell, over at Winchester Collector's Website. But don't bother about anywhere if lacking "ducks". The only safe presumption concerning such a creature has to be of non-originality.
Best of luck!
Please let us know how it all turns out for you!
John

No offense taken. Picture review done a while ago, but have yet to take it apart. Prefer an in person expert inspection before an “official” introduction. The chances have significantly improved recently though. If all goes well, perhaps an article, a chance to learn and paying back a debt owed. Someday….

Back to the OP.

Not familiar with M70 Bull prices other than book values, but this thread has been very helpful. For years, I’ve been looking for the “son” in .30-06. Tend to forget since they are so hard to find and I’m easily distracted collecting other things.

Appreciate the reminder to keep my eyes open and get back to learning.

Hope you are able to find what you seek!

I have a mysterious Bull Gun bought on ebay, yes ebay used to sell guns, 30 years ago. S/N 147XX clover leaf tang, safety lever on top, Very smooth bolt operation. Lyman48 rear, Lyman77R aperture front. 24” bull barrel marked MODEL-70-30-06SPFLD. Target scope bases on barrel and front receiver ring, rear ring has 1 hole. It has a Marksman stock heluva nicehunk of wood, semigloss finish with front 7 hole sling metal inletted in nickle plate.? Rear swivel base inletted. Checkered steel butt plate. Super Grade maked floorplate. Screws like new. I had a 16x Unertl on it and it was sub moa with Fed 168. So I’m pretty sure it is not all original. What are your thoughts.?

Doublegunner: Could you have a Winchester pre-64 Model 70 "Target Rifle"?
It is my understanding that all "Bull Guns" had 28" barrels.
And that many/most/all "Target Rifles" had 24" barrels.
And most likely someone for some reason added the "Supergrade" floorplate to your Rifle.
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VarmintGuy

Seconding the comments here with exception of "only 28" Bull barrel length. I've seen 26" as purported "factory" in 300 H&H. Whether listed model or "order-available", unknown. My point above that as venturing above 26", good recommendaton of originality. I have about the same Win 70 "Target" model 24" inclusive of the extra third hole in receiver bridge. Accessories not & "Supergrade" floorplate humorous as if original & condition worthy, itself valuable resale item as replacing original considerably less expensive.
Best!
John

My thoughts are the gun is a put together. Your S.N. 147XX is 1938 If you left off an X that would be probably 1950 / 1951. The nickle plated rail would be proper in 1938.

1. The barrel marking 30-06 SPFLD didn't come out until after 1950 at the earliest. Pre 1950 would be 30 Gov't 06.

2. The Bull Gun had 28" Heavy Barrels period. Someone either cut that barrel off @ 24" or it is a Medium Heavy Target Barrel. Bulls measure 1.25" at the receiver and around .875" at the muzzle. How does it fit in the barrel channel? If it fits nicely in the barrel channel and is 1.25" at the receiver it is a cut off Bull. If it fits nice but is not 1.25" @ the receiver it is a rebarreled Target Model. If it doesn't match te barrel channel it is a rebarreled Bull Gun.

There were 26" Target Models in 300 H&H. The other Target Models were all 24". The Bull Gun is a different animal.

Someone added the Super Grade Floorplate.

If you like the gun and it shoots enjoy it. It would be worth quite a bit parted out to folks who needed the various, highly sought after original parts if un-molested, i.e. the Stock, Floorplate, Barrel, to restore one back to original.

Iskra: Not to be argumentative but I must reiterate (as I have re-checked both Rules Book on the Model 70 AND Whitakers book on the Model 70!) and "Bull Guns" are 28" heavy barrels!
I have been perusing/buying/trading/studying pre-64 Model 70's for more than half a century now (55+ years to be more exact) and have never seen nor heard of a 26" Bull Gun.
They did make the Winchester pre-64 Model 70 "Target Rifles" in 300 H&H with 26" barrels though if that might be the reason for your memory?
Most Target Rifles were 24" heavy barrels but some 300 H&H "Target Rifles" were 26" factory barrels.
Long live the Riflemans Rifle.
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VarmintGuy

Varmint Guy,
I know this thread is over a year old but I just had a question about something you said in this thread. I am a new member so it will not let me private message you. My question is about an Model 70 Bull Gun.

Thank You,
Brian

Vintage Rimfire: Pardon my slow reply as the VarmintWife and I have just returned from out of country on an extended "sunbreak" cruise.
Will send you (if possible?) my E-mail address via P/M.
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VarmintGuy

Vintage Rimfire: Brian nope it is not allowed for me to P/M you either.
Be patient your "post count" should soon enough allow you to P/M folks.
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VarmintGuy

Excuse my ignorance, but were the rare 300HH Bullguns intended primarily for competitive shooting? I heard somewhere that the cartridge dominated match shooting for a while.

I have a standard M70 in 300HH that shoots the "right" 165 gr. handload lights-out.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/ben-comfort-s-wimbledon-cup-rifle-comes-home/

Heard they did okay…

Interesting that the rifle featured in your article is a Remington 30S, not a Winchester.