|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,524 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,524 Likes: 2 |
Those Stevens 301s are pretty nice. I got to handle a 20g and a .410 at a gun show and was pretty impressed. They "look right" and feel very good. Thats the first time I realized people were seriously using .410s for turkey. the stevens 301 is made in China The H&R Topper / NEF Pardner is made in the USA. I knew they were made in China. Still nice guns for the money. The H&Rs WERE made in the USA. Too bad they stopped making them. I always intended to buy one and they went under before I ever did. The H&R's and NEF's are still available on the used market EVERYWHERE, And for Stevens 301 money or less.
Last edited by Yoder409; 02/11/22.
Wollen nicht krank dein feind. Planen es.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6 |
The H&R's and NEF's are still available on the used market EVERYWHERE, And for Stevens 301 money or less.
Stop. I don't endure gun buying temptation well.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511 |
So YoderbOy who's been paying you in the turkey hunting and choke tube industey for two decades ?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 11,333
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 11,333 |
The H&R's and NEF's are still available on the used market EVERYWHERE, And for Stevens 301 money or less.
Stop. I don't endure gun buying temptation well. You know you want it....lol It's just one more
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10 |
Got the itch for a new one, not sure if I'll scratch that itch this year or not, but time will tell. Definitely, like all of this, it's a want, not a need. Boiled it down to 2. Both 20ga, a Benelli M2 (can't find a M1) with a 24" barrel or the Winchester SX4 (can't find a SX2) with the 24" barrel. With the Winchester, since I haven't found or handled one yet, it looks like you have to remove the cantilever mount to use the sights? Leaning more towards the M2, but wouldn't mind putting some fingerprints on a SX4. If I felt the need to really go over the top, I'd look at the M2 Turkey out of the Benelli Performance Shop! Haha! I'm finally to the point financially, that I can afford to get whatever I'd like. But, unfortunately, my body challenges my activities more and more! Lol!
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
NRA life member
Illinois State Rifle Association member
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511 |
I'd splurge and go for the Benelli
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10 |
You don't have to "splurge" a whole lot more to get the M2 over the SX4. And I agree, the M2 is getting the nod more and more.
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
NRA life member
Illinois State Rifle Association member
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6 |
If you splurge and go for Benelli, don't be surprised if you get a gun that shoots 6"+ high with a 26"+ barrel, or too low with a short barrel. Been there, done that. My Benelli Super Nova sits in the safe unused. My other Benelli has a slug barrel on it and that's fine. But high POI seems to be a common complaint with Benellis across the net. With the Winchester, since I haven't found or handled one yet, it looks like you have to remove the cantilever mount to use the sights?
No. The rear sight is actually mounted on the cantilever. The canitlever is grooved like a Weaver base. You just remove the scope to use the sight. I'd recommend Warne QD rings with that gun. Super secure bases. I've used a lot of them on evertything from .30-30s to hard kicking .45-70s. Never had an issue. I use them on my Savage 212 slug gun. Regarding the SX4, I have an Winchester SX4 24" gun and a Browning Maxus II 26" gun. Both 12g, 3 1/2". They are much softer shooting than my Browning A5, which is an inertia gun like the Benellis you mentioned. The SX4, Maxus and A5 are all built by Browning in the same factory. Compared to the Maxus II, the SX4 gives up very little. They are both short stroke gas guns. The Browning is a little more refined. The Browning has a magazine cut off switch and a speed load feature the SX4 doesn't have. (Speed load is useless to me and a pain if you don't it right.) Both will cycle pretty much all manner of 12g rounds. My A5 won't cycle light loads reliably. That's an issue with intertia guns, too. The SX4 is drilled and tapped for a scope, the Maxus II is not. If you are going to be shooting light loads, too, and if you want a soft shooting gun, go with a gas gun. I love my A5 but inertia guns are no more reliable than gas guns, and sometimes less so with light loads. And they only soak up a little recoild over a pump, and much less than a gas gun.
Last edited by 10Glocks; 02/11/22.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10 |
Very familiar with Benelli's, all of them. From Super Sports to the Nova, in both 12's and 20's. Messing with the stock shims, in conjunction with a laser bore sighter and a focal point, has always worked well for me. Having only looked at pictures of the SX4, I appreciate your insight, thank you. The 870 I put together works like a charm, but there's always that "want" factor!
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
NRA life member
Illinois State Rifle Association member
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,524 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,524 Likes: 2 |
The H&R's and NEF's are still available on the used market EVERYWHERE, And for Stevens 301 money or less.
Stop. I don't endure gun buying temptation well. You know you want it....lol It's just one more Walk toward the light, Glocks !!!! Walk toward the light.................
Wollen nicht krank dein feind. Planen es.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6 |
Shimming on my Super Nova didn't help becasue it did nothing to fix the fundamental problem with the gun. The rib is just too high in the rear causing it to shoot high, and I think that's been a problem with Benellis for a long time. The only thing that helps is patterning it and knowing where it shoots. And that's fine. I know to hold low with my Benelli. The problem is is that if you shoot a lot of different guns that hit where they should, its easy to forget to hold low with the one gun you have that doesn't hit where it should. If all you shoot is high hitters, you can get used to it, I guess.
Benellis are fine guns. But many of them have this quirk.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,524 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,524 Likes: 2 |
Shimming on my Super Nova didn't help becasue it did nothing to fix the fundamental problem with the gun. The rib is just too high in the rear causing it to shoot high, and I think that's been a problem with Benellis for a long time. The only thing that helps is patterning it and knowing where it shoots. And that's fine. I know to hold low with my Benelli. The problem is is that if you shoot a lot of different guns that hit where they should, its easy to forget to hold low with the one gun you have that doesn't hit where it should. If all you shoot is high hitters, you can get used to it, I guess.
Benellis are fine guns. But many of them have this quirk. May be more effort than you're wanting to go to........... But D&T the Nova's receiver (or is it already, from the factory ??) and install your choice of sighting system. Put your POI and POA in the same place and never have to think about which gun you're carrying and where you gotta aim, ever again.
Wollen nicht krank dein feind. Planen es.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 11,333
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 11,333 |
Both my turkey guns are drilled and tapped with red dots installed. Sure makes thing simple in the heat of the battle.
I may not be smart but I can lift heavy objects
I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 5,810 Likes: 10 |
Agreed, some type of aiming device will be used. That's not so much of a want anymore either...
If it's the M2, I wouldn't hesitate one second to have the receiver milled out, and tapped, for a reflex sight. Think MOS on a Glock...
Last edited by DeanAnderson; 02/11/22.
It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!
NRA life member
Illinois State Rifle Association member
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6 |
Shimming on my Super Nova didn't help becasue it did nothing to fix the fundamental problem with the gun. The rib is just too high in the rear causing it to shoot high, and I think that's been a problem with Benellis for a long time. The only thing that helps is patterning it and knowing where it shoots. And that's fine. I know to hold low with my Benelli. The problem is is that if you shoot a lot of different guns that hit where they should, its easy to forget to hold low with the one gun you have that doesn't hit where it should. If all you shoot is high hitters, you can get used to it, I guess.
Benellis are fine guns. But many of them have this quirk. May be more effort than you're wanting to go to........... But D&T the Nova's receiver (or is it already, from the factory ??) and install your choice of sighting system. Put your POI and POA in the same place and never have to think about which gun you're carrying and where you gotta aim, ever again. Not ready to scope or reddot any of my shotguns yet. Other than shooting high, it's a fine gun. I was thinking of putting some rib-mounted adjustable TruGlos ights on it like I have on my SX4.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511 |
Why would you compare a Nova to M1....that just dumb
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6 |
Because they've got the same barrel/rib configuration and same sight plain/bore axis intersection, dumb ass. That why they've got the same issues.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 3,511 |
I don’t know what "axis" you're on but i've owned at least 8 or 10 M1s and SBEs Benellis over the years and never had an issue....I was smart enough to never own a Nova.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 4,595 Likes: 6 |
Bullshit-o-meter is going crazy.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,882
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,882 |
Bullshit-o-meter is going crazy. X2
HMM-161, HMM-364 Semper Fi Brothers
|
|
|
|
391 members (22kHornet, 1badf350, 160user, 22magnut, 1OntarioJim, 257robertsimp, 35 invisible),
1,504
guests, and
1,121
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,194,098
Posts18,522,213
Members74,026
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|