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There is a better chance of Poland invading Russia than Russia invading Poland. Poland would love to have back the western half of Ukraine which was Poland up until the end of WW II when Stalin basically picked up Poland and set it down 100 miles west of where it always had been.


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There will be no nukes. The Russians want the Ukraine's resources. It's a great farming area and they need it. This is 1 more in a long series of fights that go back for several centuries.


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IMO - my concern is China - do they see us doing nothing and move in the Pacific? That is MUCH closer to home and a much easier sell on affecting US interests. Do you embolden China by NOT getting involved in the Ukraine. Then again, Ukrainian involvement means you're stretched to get involved with China if need be too.

I think you tell China - we're sitting out Europe so we can focus on PacRim issues and WILL go full tilt there.



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I was listening to some guy the other day talking about his family. They were all from Eastern Europe. One had been born in Poland. One had been born in Soviet Union. And one had been born in either Belarus or Ukraine, I can’t remember. Anyways that sounds cool.

Except they were all born in the same house in the same village.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
There is a better chance of Poland invading Russia than Russia invading Poland. Poland would love to have back the western half of Ukraine which was Poland up until the end of WW II when Stalin basically picked up Poland and set it down 100 miles west of where it always had been.


The Poles have most pro American ruling elite class in Central/Eastern Europe. Where does one start? They are the reason Russians had to construct Baltic Pipeline because the Poles would not agree to pipeline through their territory. They have backed opposition government in Belorussia. They will now become to Americans and the British what Pakistan was to Taliban. I do not see how Russian Federation can tolerate this. The only way the Poles could get land back east of Curzon Line is by cooperating and helping the Russian Federation. One must remember the reason current western border is on the Oder river was because Josef Stalin wanted to move German border further west from Russia. The Americans wanted Poland to have pre World War II border with Germany.

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Originally Posted by Slavek
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There is a better chance of Poland invading Russia than Russia invading Poland. Poland would love to have back the western half of Ukraine which was Poland up until the end of WW II when Stalin basically picked up Poland and set it down 100 miles west of where it always had been.


The Poles have most pro American ruling elite class in Central/Eastern Europe. Where does one start? They are the reason Russians had to construct Baltic Pipeline because the Poles would not agree to pipeline through their territory. They have backed opposition government in Belorussia. They will now become to Americans and the British what Pakistan was to Taliban. I do not see how Russian Federation can tolerate this. The only way the Poles could get land back east of Curzon Line is by cooperating and helping the Russian Federation. One must remember the reason current western border is on the Oder river was because Josef Stalin wanted to move German border further west from Russia. The Americans wanted Poland to have pre World War II border with Germany.


Poland should worry as much looking immediately to their west as they should to the east.

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Just think? What if Prussia was still around???


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Just think? What if Prussia was still around???


It may yet rise again. There might be some old junkers hiding in the basement ready to get the band back together again.

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Just think? What if Prussia was still around???


The helmets would be way cooler.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Just think? What if Prussia was still around???


It may yet rise again. There might be some old junkers hiding in the basement ready to get the band back together again.


Mission from God, you know.


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Ukrainians aren't just laying down. There's some fight in them. I saw them deploying manpads against helos and one shot down for sure


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Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Originally Posted by JoeBob
There is a better chance of Poland invading Russia than Russia invading Poland. Poland would love to have back the western half of Ukraine which was Poland up until the end of WW II when Stalin basically picked up Poland and set it down 100 miles west of where it always had been.


The Poles have most pro American ruling elite class in Central/Eastern Europe. Where does one start? They are the reason Russians had to construct Baltic Pipeline because the Poles would not agree to pipeline through their territory. They have backed opposition government in Belorussia. They will now become to Americans and the British what Pakistan was to Taliban. I do not see how Russian Federation can tolerate this. The only way the Poles could get land back east of Curzon Line is by cooperating and helping the Russian Federation. One must remember the reason current western border is on the Oder river was because Josef Stalin wanted to move German border further west from Russia. The Americans wanted Poland to have pre World War II border with Germany.


Poland should worry as much looking immediately to their west as they should to the east.


Blocking the Russian pipeline was serious mistake. Russians offered to build it at their own cost plus pay Poles over billion dollars per year for it existance, not to mention affordable energy source. The Poles would be much better off if they cooperated and traded with Russian Federation and Germany. They would not be in danger of annihilation now.

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Originally Posted by RufusG
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Just think? What if Prussia was still around???


The helmets would be way cooler.


A pickelhaube in every haus!

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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Wrong, Americans created an empire that lasts to this day.

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Have the Poles modernized? When Hitler invaded them, they tried to hold off the tanks with horse mounted cavalry.


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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Ironically, 80 years ago we fought against Germany who attacked Russia, and Japan who attacked China. Perhaps we fought on the wrong side...


Germany just wants the whole thing over so they can continue buying natural gas from Russia again. In fact, none of NATO wants to be involved with this situation.

Word is out on the American Government and no one wants to participate in its aggressions any longer.

The Cold War was over and it will be over again as soon as the warmongers who control the American government stop pushing fratricide between Russia, Europe, and the U.S.A.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Have the Poles modernized? When Hitler invaded them, they tried to hold off the tanks with horse mounted cavalry.


No, that’s not true. There was never an attack of cavalry against tanks in direct attacks. Cavalry was used on both sides in that conflict and there were at least two instances of Polish cavalry taking positions from German infantry and support troops. They completely routed one German support company column.

Like Sadam’s soldiers taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor, the cavalry against tanks was entirely a creation of the western press.

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