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How is it that Matthew 24:7 and Mark 13:8 are the same text?
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
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Ask pastor Bill aka happy camper, he knows everything about Jesus and the bible.
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How is it that Matthew 24:7 and Mark 13:8 are the same text?
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. It's a quote of JESUS, speaking privately to 4 of HIS disciples. While not all of HIS quotes are recorded verbatim, why would it be a question or problem if they were??
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Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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How is it that Matthew 24:7 and Mark 13:8 are the same text?
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Good observation.
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Ask pastor Bill aka happy camper, he knows everything about Jesus and the bible. You are a douchenozzle of the highest order. Congratulations.
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And don't forget HE said that 'all these things would happen' to/in the generation that HE was speaking to!! 'THIS generation' HIS generation!
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^^^^^^that honor may rightfully belong to happy camper.
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And don't forget HE said that 'all these things would happen' to/in the generation that HE was speaking to!! 'THIS generation' HIS generation! Different people have different views regarding whether Jesus’ description and prophecy is describing Jerusalem’s pending destruction, or the end times for us all. God’s Old Covenant was specifically with the nation of Israel, and Jesus said He came to fulfill it, and that it would begin to disappear when everything in it (the Mosaic Law) was “accomplished.” And He accomplished what the Old Covenant required. And then on August 6, 70 A.D. it did, in fact, disappear when the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple. The Mosaic Covenant was never officially practiced again. It became impossible to do so. Jesus’s description of the destruction of the Jewish Temple is pretty incredible and often overlooked. The detail He gave is remarkable; it’s exactly as it happened some 40 years later. But many evangelicals interpret Jesus’ description and prophecy as relating to the end of time. The historian Josephus’ description of what happened coincides with what Jesus predicted. Makes sense that Jesus was describing what would take place decades after His prediction. That one passage alone should get people’s attention, especially when anybody who visits Jerusalem nowadays can see the Temple Mount for themselves…bare of the Hebrew Temple…and realize that Jesus predicted that.
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And don't forget HE said that 'all these things would happen' to/in the generation that HE was speaking to!! 'THIS generation' HIS generation! Different people have different views regarding whether Jesus’ description and prophecy is describing Jerusalem’s pending destruction, or the end times for us all. God’s Old Covenant was specifically with the nation of Israel, and Jesus said He came to fulfill it, and that it would begin to disappear when everything in it (the Mosaic Law) was “accomplished.” And He accomplished what the Old Covenant required. And then on August 6, 70 A.D. it did, in fact, disappear when the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple. The Mosaic Covenant was never officially practiced again. It became impossible to do so. Jesus’s description of the destruction of the Jewish Temple is pretty incredible and often overlooked. The detail He gave is remarkable; it’s exactly as it happened some 40 years later. But many evangelicals interpret Jesus’ description and prophecy as relating to the end of time. The historian Josephus’ description of what happened coincides with what Jesus predicted. Makes sense that Jesus was describing what would take place decades after His prediction. That one passage alone should get people’s attention, especially when anybody who visits Jerusalem nowadays can see the Temple Mount for themselves…bare of the Hebrew Temple…and realize that Jesus predicted that. Does the Bible ever say that TIME will END????
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^^^^^^that honor may rightfully belong to happy camper. Perhaps they could start a club.
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And don't forget HE said that 'all these things would happen' to/in the generation that HE was speaking to!! 'THIS generation' HIS generation! Different people have different views regarding whether Jesus’ description and prophecy is describing Jerusalem’s pending destruction, or the end times for us all. God’s Old Covenant was specifically with the nation of Israel, and Jesus said He came to fulfill it, and that it would begin to disappear when everything in it (the Mosaic Law) was “accomplished.” And He accomplished what the Old Covenant required. And then on August 6, 70 A.D. it did, in fact, disappear when the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple. The Mosaic Covenant was never officially practiced again. It became impossible to do so. Jesus’s description of the destruction of the Jewish Temple is pretty incredible and often overlooked. The detail He gave is remarkable; it’s exactly as it happened some 40 years later. But many evangelicals interpret Jesus’ description and prophecy as relating to the end of time. The historian Josephus’ description of what happened coincides with what Jesus predicted. Makes sense that Jesus was describing what would take place decades after His prediction. That one passage alone should get people’s attention, especially when anybody who visits Jerusalem nowadays can see the Temple Mount for themselves…bare of the Hebrew Temple…and realize that Jesus predicted that. Does the Bible ever say that TIME will END???? I think it’s subject to one’s interpretation, like pretty much everything else in the Bible is. Phrases like…“concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only”…mean different things to different people.
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And don't forget HE said that 'all these things would happen' to/in the generation that HE was speaking to!! 'THIS generation' HIS generation! Different people have different views regarding whether Jesus’ description and prophecy is describing Jerusalem’s pending destruction, or the end times for us all. God’s Old Covenant was specifically with the nation of Israel, and Jesus said He came to fulfill it, and that it would begin to disappear when everything in it (the Mosaic Law) was “accomplished.” And He accomplished what the Old Covenant required. And then on August 6, 70 A.D. it did, in fact, disappear when the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple. The Mosaic Covenant was never officially practiced again. It became impossible to do so. Jesus’s description of the destruction of the Jewish Temple is pretty incredible and often overlooked. The detail He gave is remarkable; it’s exactly as it happened some 40 years later. But many evangelicals interpret Jesus’ description and prophecy as relating to the end of time. The historian Josephus’ description of what happened coincides with what Jesus predicted. Makes sense that Jesus was describing what would take place decades after His prediction. That one passage alone should get people’s attention, especially when anybody who visits Jerusalem nowadays can see the Temple Mount for themselves…bare of the Hebrew Temple…and realize that Jesus predicted that. Does the Bible ever say that TIME will END???? No, it does not! It speaks of the end of the age (the Jews spoke of two ages, the age that then was, and the age to come...also referred to as the age of Messiah). So the "end" that so many infer is the "end of the world" is really just the end of the OT age, and final ushering in of the everlasting age of Messiah. What God's plans are for this rock, I am not certain. But there is nothing in the bible, properly interpreted within context, that says the earth will end. The "elements melting with fervent heat" and "heaven and earth passing away" are all easily understood in historical context as the dissolution of the Mosaic economy and Law, via the fulfillment of the law by Christ. My $0.02. And I understand that most will disagree. That's ok! 
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Both of those passages mention the abomination of desolation. There has been endless debate on what that is. Just read Luke 21. It's the same thing but the abomination is shown as 'when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.' Then it goes on to say for Christians to flee. When Titus, the Roman general, was tightening the noose, there were an estimated 1 million people in Jerusalem for passover. That was many times it's normal population. For some reason, likely because God intervened, Titus pulled back for a day or so. That gave the Christians a chance to get out and run. They did what Jesus had told them to do - they headed to the mountains. Then Titus brought the army back in and the siege was on. With all those extra people locked in the city, the food ran out very fast and starvation began. It's amazing that they lasted 5 months.
Israel had undergone a revolt against Rome 4 years earlier and the city was under the control of the zealots. They had no leadership and did some pretty stupid things. Probably the dumbest was to destroy much of the food stocks in the city. That was done for 2 possible reasons. One was to make the people more desperate so they'd fight harder. The other was to goad God to be merciful and come to their rescue. Putting God to the test is never a good idea, especially when His plan is your defeat and destruction.
luke 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it,
22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.
23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people.
24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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Both of those passages mention the abomination of desolation. There has been endless debate on what that is. Just read Luke 21. It's the same thing but the abomination is shown as 'when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.' Then it goes on to say for Christians to flee. When Titus, the Roman general, was tightening the noose, there were an estimated 1 million people in Jerusalem for passover. That was many times it's normal population. For some reason, likely because God intervened, Titus pulled back for a day or so. That gave the Christians a chance to get out and run. They did what Jesus had told them to do - they headed to the mountains. Then Titus brought the army back in and the siege was on. With all those extra people locked in the city, the food ran out very fast and starvation began. It's amazing that they lasted 5 months.
Israel had undergone a revolt against Rome 4 years earlier and the city was under the control of the zealots. They had no leadership and did some pretty stupid things. Probably the dumbest was to destroy much of the food stocks in the city. That was done for 2 possible reasons. One was to make the people more desperate so they'd fight harder. The other was to goad God to be merciful and come to their rescue. Putting God to the test is never a good idea, especially when His plan is your defeat and destruction.
luke 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it,
22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.
23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people.
24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. And again, it was to the 'THIS Generation' of JESUS' day..... And HE was speaking PRIVATELY to 4 of HIS disciples, '...why YOU see the abomination...' They, Them, the 4............
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And don't forget HE said that 'all these things would happen' to/in the generation that HE was speaking to!! 'THIS generation' HIS generation! Different people have different views regarding whether Jesus’ description and prophecy is describing Jerusalem’s pending destruction, or the end times for us all. God’s Old Covenant was specifically with the nation of Israel, and Jesus said He came to fulfill it, and that it would begin to disappear when everything in it (the Mosaic Law) was “accomplished.” And He accomplished what the Old Covenant required. And then on August 6, 70 A.D. it did, in fact, disappear when the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple. The Mosaic Covenant was never officially practiced again. It became impossible to do so. Jesus’s description of the destruction of the Jewish Temple is pretty incredible and often overlooked. The detail He gave is remarkable; it’s exactly as it happened some 40 years later. But many evangelicals interpret Jesus’ description and prophecy as relating to the end of time. The historian Josephus’ description of what happened coincides with what Jesus predicted. Makes sense that Jesus was describing what would take place decades after His prediction. That one passage alone should get people’s attention, especially when anybody who visits Jerusalem nowadays can see the Temple Mount for themselves…bare of the Hebrew Temple…and realize that Jesus predicted that. Does the Bible ever say that TIME will END???? No, it does not! It speaks of the end of the age (the Jews spoke of two ages, the age that then was, and the age to come...also referred to as the age of Messiah). So the "end" that so many infer is the "end of the world" is really just the end of the OT age, and final ushering in of the everlasting age of Messiah. What God's plans are for this rock, I am not certain. But there is nothing in the bible, properly interpreted within context, that says the earth will end. The "elements melting with fervent heat" and "heaven and earth passing away" are all easily understood in historical context as the dissolution of the Mosaic economy and Law, via the fulfillment of the law by Christ. My $0.02. And I understand that most will disagree. That's ok! THIS..........
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